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A very dear friend of this blog sent me a message from the Voice of the Family Life conference in Rome. (see here – in comment box) I am reproducing the comment in its entirety and …
FOR THE RECORD
This is off topic, but thought you might like some news from Rome. I attended the Voice of the Family Rome Life conference today which was addressed by Cardinal Pell and which Cardinal Burke also attended.
In the Q&A session after his talk Cardinal Pell was asked whether he agreed with Bishop Athanasius Schneider’s assessment that the Extraordinary Synod on the Family represented the 4th greatest crisis in the Church (the last one being the Reformation). His reply was that not all these great crises can bear direct comparison..”after all the Catholic Church and Luther both agreed that Christ was central to the questions, even if they disagreed on the answers. The difference today is that one side of the dispute doesn’t believe in God. On the one hand you have people who believe that you start by preaching the Gospel, on the other you have people who believe that you should adapt to the world.”
It will be interesting to see if that makes any headlines, because the implications of his words are quite damning. He is adamant that the Kasperites will not get what they want at the Synod and that nothing will change in either doctrine or practice. I hope he is right, but not so sure I share his confidence.
Can’t wait to get back to the coolth of England. God bless.
UPDATE: Sunday 10 May 2015 1:16
This blog has been graced by a comment from Hilary White with respect to the above subject matter. I am re-posting Hilary’s comment below in its entirety and FOR THE RECORD. I am also linking to the From Rome blog, where the information above was used in a subsequent post titled: Cardinal Pell says that “Team Bergoglio” are atheists (see here). Below is Hilary’s comment:
Here is the comment I posted on the other page of this blog:
I asked Cardinal Pell that question at the conference but at the time, I and others there did not think that his response was pertaining to the crisis of the Synod particularly.
It was not clear that Cardinal Pell was familiar with Bishop Schneider’s comment, or its precise context of concerns over the Synod and the apparent split in the upper levels of the hierarchy over the vexed questions at the Synod, though judging from the reaction to the question by the conference attendees, the implications were well taken, and there seemed to be general familiarity with Bishop Schneider’s observation. Nearly everyone in attendance at that conference yesterday was gravely and particularly concerned about the Synod and its possible outcome, but since the Cardinal had not attended the rest of the conference sessions he was perhaps not aware of our very focused attention on the Synod.
No one at the time thought that his response to my question meant what you have indicated above. If he had intended to imply that “Team Bergoglio” were “atheists” I don’t think it would have been an implication or a nuance that anyone there, many of whom were seasoned Vatican journalists, would have missed. Instead, his comments with regard to the crisis inside the Church were circumspect to the point of being somewhat uninteresting. Certainly none of the experienced journalists, whose news antennae were especially sharply tuned-in that day, perked up our ears.
He started by saying that the various major crisis of the Church’s history were all different. There is no indication that his distinction between “godlessness and the godly” was aimed at the Church’s interior crisis in general or at the Synod.
Here is his full quote from LifeSiteNews.com’s recording:
“For example, the crisis is quite different from the Protestant crisis, because both sides of the Protestant crisis agreed on the importance of Christ and God. The greater contingent today is between Godlessness and the Godly. And I think within the Christian communities the fundamental tension is between those who believe that growth comes from starting with Gospel teaching, and those who believe that growth comes from adaptation [with] [unclear in the recording] the world. And I think the second option leads to death. No comparison fits exactly, probably the situation is more stark in countries that have been ruled by communism, Nazism for a long time. But there’s no doubt that we have a challenge on our hands.”
On an aside, the following comes to mind: “The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God!”
UPDATE #2: Monday 11 May 2015 02:08
It appears that this blog has been doubly privaleged this weekend. First it received a follow-up responce from the excellant Rome journalist Hilary White, and now this blog has received a responce from Br. Alexis Bugnolo of the From Rome blog. Below is the responce to Hilary White’s follow-up and FOR THE RECORD:
Dear Hilary J White.
Your disagreement with the byline and introduction to our article, seems not to be based on what the Cardinal said, but on its signification. You seem to want to take it out of the historical context of the present moment or the Synod; you also seem to want that the Cardinal knows nothing of what has transpired in the Church or in the Vatican since March 2013. If your hypothesis were true, your argument would be sound; but you cannot fabricate a historical context which does not exist, so your argument is simply an elaborate sophism, or false argument (cf. Aristotle’s, Elenchae).
The truth is, that if those proposing adaptation with the world at all costs, are the ones who are proposing the Kasper thesis; and the ones proposing the Kasper thesis (Cardinal Kasper) are “Team Bergoglio” members or players, then Team Bergoglio are atheists, in the Greek sense of the word (atheoi = without God).
So, we have employed the accepted logical rules of inference from Aristotle and concluded that the Cardinal implies that Team Bergoglio are atheists. We could have said he is implying that Bergoglio is an atheist. It does not really matter what he was thinking at the moment; the truth of what he said is a fact, which with other truths, as we have documented at the From Rome blog, lead to the inextricable conclusion which we have summarized in the introduction to our reblogged post, Team Bergoglio is a heretical conspiracy to overthrow the Church of Christ.
Even Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor in a recent interview in a British Newspaper admitted that they Cardinals involved met in Switzerland to plan the election of Bergoglio so as to arrive at the change they wanted. Perhaps there are some polly-annas who believe they want the restoration of Trent or Vatican I, but at From Rome we only print facts and realistic inferences, not imaginary tales.
From the point of view of The Deus Ex Machina Blog, the nice part of being a Catholic is that one is not afraid of the Truth. To be more specific, we worship Him!
UPDATE #3: Monday 11 May 2015 14:02
Below is the reply from Deacon Augustine, the original source for this post to Hilary White which I am posting FOR THE RECORD:
Hilary, I am grateful to you for providing the transcript of Cardinal Pell’s actual words. It gives us sure and certain material to work with rather than the original report I gave to s.armiticus which was based on my long-hand scribbling and dull memory.
However, on the interpretation of those words, I think Br Alexis Bugnolo makes very valid points which would be in line with the impression I received on the day. Your question to the Cardinal clearly framed the context by reference to Bishop Schneider’s statements regarding internal crises within the Church. Cardinal Pell is an intelligent, sharp-witted and insightful man whom I hold in the highest regard, and I think it unlikely that he would be ignorant of the thrust of your question – especially set, as it was, in the context of conference called to discuss the Synod on the family.
Replying that the key to the current crisis amounted to a struggle between godlessness and the godly, it seems only logical to ask which parties are represented by the above descriptors within the Catholic community. I hardly think that he had in mind those who defend the traditional doctrine and practice of the Church when he used the term “godlessness.” I may be mistaken of course, and he could have been referring to Cardinal Burke who was sitting in front of him, the African and Polish bishops etc.
The fact that he further set his reply in the context of “Christian communities” generally, while it might afford plausible deniability, it cannot detract from the fact that there is one very obvious party or “lobby” which wants to see the Synod and the Church accommodate her doctrine and practices with the fallen world. As he rightly said, this would lead to death. As he further qualified his reply by indicating countries which had been ruled by communism or Nazism for a long time, it seems pretty obvious whom he had in his sights.
However, setting all of the above in the context of Cardinal Brandmuller’s recent reference to those same lobbies as “heretical”, and Cardinal Koch inferring that the Germans were accommodating to the world in the same way as they did at the time of the Nazis, Cardinal Pell’s words don’t appear particularly notable.