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France Putting Out The Fire

Today we take a break from covering the boxing match between FrancisChurch and the Catholic Cardinals with respect to the correct definition of paragraph 299 of the 2000 GRIM (which applies to the 2002 Missale Romanum) (see here), to provide some context and perspective.

I have located a post at the Catholic Reposte website (French – see here) to provide just this. The title of the post is 20% of new priests are traditionalists. This obviously refers to the situation in France. I have translated it below and am reposting it.

The reason that I am bringing this information to your attention is to demonstrate how a Catholic Church in a country that has been THE GROUND ZERO of the liturgical reforms and in the eye of the “spirit of Vatican II” twister, is dealing with the fallout. Furthermore, what is striking is how the battle between Good and evil... the proper Catholic Mass vs. the NOChurch communities is panning out. To give you a hint dear reader, here is the prescient observation made by a French cleric to a parishioner:

“Madam, you will have to go there (to the TLM). We have no more ordinations. In a few years, only the traditional priests will be celebrating in our countryside … “

Summa summarum, the 2nd Principle of the LEX ARMATICUS hold firm, namely:

even modernists need to eat!


On an aside, while we are on the subject of eating, over at the other neo-modernists experiment termed the FrancisEconomy in Venezuela, the latest is as follows (see here):

Venezuela Seizes Local Kimberly-Clark Factory!

Just hours after Kimberly-Clark, the consumer-products giant that owns Kleenex and Huggies, said it will shutter its Venezuela operations after years of grappling with soaring inflation and a shortage of hard currency and raw materials, Venezuela retaliated by announcing it would seize the factory.

Jesuitical Social Justice, in practice?

And now,…


20% of new priests are traditionalists

In a recent letter to the Paix Liturgique this anecdote is related:

The scene takes place in a church of a rural diocese, which has just celebrated a Traditional Mass, visited by the vicar general. A lady of the parish called out: “Father, I find it outrageous that you let a fundamentalist say Mass in thischurch ! ” And the vicar general replied: “Madam, you will have to go there. We have no more ordinations. In a few years, only the traditional priests will be celebrating in our countryside … “

Floris de Bonneville, former director of the Gamma Agency, in an article published by Boulevard Voltaire, wrote on 25 June:

“For bishops, tradis are unfair competition.” “Some bishops would be jealous of the success generated by some parishes with a breath, in Latin, of the Holy Spirit or a more tradi liturgy? Since the disaster of the post-Vatican II which saw churches emptied at a rapid pace, the traditional liturgy was never a prohibited practice, but it was not offered until a motu proprio of Benedict XVI authorize the “legal” return of the Tridentine Mass. At the discretion of the bishops, but to satisfaction of practitioners, because indeed, where a priest is allowed to offer the Mass in Latin, his face turned towards the East, there is a crowd. There is a crowd of church-goers and a crowd for other various activities. The crowd is not grey-haired, as is the case alas, in the great majority of our parishes (with exception of the grey children or in the territories of bishops like Msgr Rey, Msgr Aillet or Msgr Crepy) but with young people, often very young people, scouts, couples with many children who explain that they find in these Tridentine masses the inherent beauty and sublimation of a liturgy enriched by centuries during which it was practiced, in the time when France was proud to be Catholic. »

“Our Eminencies are they so blind as to view traditional fortresses are misfortunes, as tradis churches, whether in Latin or French, are full? It would seem that the Holy Spirit like Latin, incense and cassocks. “

Paix Liturgique’s count of ordinations for 2016:

  • 79 diocesan priests (of which priests of new communities which will have a diocesan ministry) will be ordained this year.
  • A majority of dioceses do not have any ordination (Clermont, Coutances, Creteil, It Harbour, Le Mans, the Puy, Rodez, Marseilles, etc);
  • A quarter have only one or two ordinations (Aix, Chartres, Évry, etc).
  • Exceptions: Versailles (4); Luçon (4); Bordeaux (5); Toulon (6); Vannes (7); Paris (11).

It is a slight increase because there were 71 ordained in 2015. But the tendency is heavily pointed downwards. There had been in 1966, after the Council, 566 ordinations more. The level remained on at 120 until in the 2000’s, to fall to less than 100 priests diocesans presently.

In same time, ordinations of traditional priests comparable to diocesan priests (Institutes of Ecclesia Dei, excluding monks, plus Fraternity Saint Pius X) are 18 on average. In 2016, the comparison is made as follows:

79 diocesan ordinations

19  ordinations (among which 6 are for the FSSPX) for the Extraordinary Form (only  includes new priests who are Frenchman).

Or about 20 % (19,4 % of ordinations) for Extraordinary Form for France. Without counting the diocesan priests who celebrate more than readily Extraordinary Form:

“this year, in Paris, two of the eleven priests ordered by the cardinal Vingt-Trois said their first mass in the Extraordinary Form, the one in Chantal’s Church of Sainte-Jeanne, the other in the chapel of Notre-Dame of the Lily.”

Jean-Pierre Maugendre writes in an article published by Catholic Renaissance July 4th, 2016:

« So, in the Church of France, two million ordinary parishioners (3 % of church-goers of the 66 million inhabitants) provide four times more priests than 100 000 Extraordinary Form parishioners (5 % of the two million regular church-goers). One community \”Extraordinaire\” is therefore, in terms of vocations, five times more \”féconde\” (fertile) than the community \”ordinaire\”. »

The Community of Saint Martin with her 5 sacerdotal ordinations and its nearly 100 seminarists (propaedeutics included) does very well. But no one is unaware of the association founded by Monseigneur Guerin is of very traditional type (studies based on the Thomism, liturgy very traditional, port of the cassock), and also which recruits a considerable share of its vocations from families attached to the traditional liturgy.

The Fraternity of the Holy Apostles, founded in Belgium by P. Michel-Marie Zanotti-Sorkine, has attracted 21 seminarians and filled the church of Saint-Catherine in Brussels, which was about to be closed. The successor to Mgr Leonard, Mgr De Kesel, new primate of Belgium, seems pleased to have gotten rid of it.

It is necessary to recall also, among the young diocesan priests, practically all very deeply devout, those who demonstrate an interest for the Extraordinary Form, celebrate it behind closed doors, and often insure that the parish masses in this form are offered according to the dispositions of the Motu Proprio of 2007.

Some bishops understood this tendency and took the lead. Mgr Rey leaves to its priests the very freedom to offer the mass in the Extraordinary Form, and offers to his seminarians the possibility of forming in the traditional liturgy (traditional mass is celebrated for all seminarians one time a week, including by the very rector).

Today, the diocese of Fréjus-Toulon counts 220 active priests, to compare with the situation of the neighboring dioceses: 75 active priests in Marseilles, 65 in Aix , 66 in Nice, 60 in Avignon. 30 of these diocesan priests celebrate traditional mass freely and quietly, an important part of them employing the one form as the other form.