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Today we take a break from our FAKE NEWS thread and open up another thread, this time pertaining to what comes after the 4 Cardinals publish their formal ‘correction’ of the FrancisBishop of Rome. I would like to get this post on record before the 4 Cardinal’s publication, so that I can seamlessly transition into what I think the ramifications of this “correction will be”.
I do not want to go into this at present, and will inform my readers as to the reasons why when the time is right.
So back to the subject at hand.
We pick up the story where we left off with our post Desperately Seeking Reconciliation. In that post, we OBSERVED that Francis is desperate to recognize the Society of St. Pius X and provided some thoughts on why this might be the case. We left off with the following OBSERVATION:
Therefore, what is becoming quite clear for all observers of this situation is:
- the SSPX will not budge.
- Francis desperately needs a reconciliation.
- The reason Francis desperately needs reconciliation is in order to gain some sort of control over the SSPX and ring-fence the NORMALIZATION PROCESS™ inside the Ecclesia Dei Commission. Hence Diocesan bishops must consult with the Vatican before establishing a diocesan religious order, Pope Francis ruled.
- Francis needs to gain control over the SSPX so as to block off any escape route for the Catholics stuck in NUChurch. Hence clampdown on contemplative orders.
- Francis is planning a repression of the larger Western Church and understands that it will not go as easily as with the suppression of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate. Hence Come una madre amorevole in case of rebellion.
- But most importantly, Francis needs to do something IMMEDIATELY since the Restoration is speading in the Catholic Church, especially in the wealthy Western countries.
- The neo-modernist’s who support Francis are freaking out since they see that with their demise, so will end their Novus Ordo NUChurch.
- This will end their IDEOLOGICAL life’s work and consign them to not only the trash-heap of history, but will earn them the hatred of future generations of the Faithful.
Therefore they are leaning on the hapless Francis.
And Francis has backed himself into a corner and has only one option left, and that is the “UNILATERAL RECOGNITION” of the SSPX. (emphasis added)
We see the haplessness of Francis’ position in the FrancisStatement pertaining to the status of the SSPX that was supposed to be contained in the Apostolic Letter Misericordia et Misera (ALMetM) which merely extended SSPX confessions’ provision.
Now, anyone following my site could have suspected that Francis was not going to pull the UNILATERAL RECOGNITION trigger at this time. The reason being that their was nothing to gain by recognizing the SSPX at this time, yet if he did, Francis would have lost whatever leverage he has… or rather he thinks he has over the Society.
Please keep in mind, Francis is all about CONTROL!
Yet, the fact that Francis even mentioned the SSPX in the ALMetM has a significant SIGNALLING EFFECT. (see here) What is the most important signal to take away from this episode is that the SSPX is foremost on Francis’ mind. He can’t seem to let them go, nor can he get himself to ignore them. In other words, they are living in Francis’ mind, rent free. Which means that Francis is demonstrating (SIGNALLING) the intensity of his DESPERATION to obtain any sort of control over the SSPX. And he is letting us all know this through the SIGNALLING EFFECT of the content in the ALMetM.
Far fetched, you may ask dear reader?
Well, not really.
Here is a HYPOTHESIS that in turn has been living in my mind, rent free since Francis admitted that the SSPX can hear confessions validly.
The key to understanding the mortal danger that the SSPX pose to the post conciliar church in general and to the supercharged FRANCISCHURCH in particular is that the SSPX have figured out the doctrinally proper avenue with respect to resisting a pope.
What makes the SSPX unique is that they were never excommunicated properly, and the act of excommunication which “they entered into” by consecrating the 4 bishops in 1988 is not valid. I don’t want to go into the entire justification here, so please go to the following link and read all about the background and justification of why the SSPX acted the way in which they acted. (see Here) For our purposes here, what is important is that the SSPX …
H.A.S. N.E.V.E.R. S.E.P.A.R.A.T.E.D. F.R.O.M. T.H.E. C.A.T.H.O.L.I.C. C.H.U.R.C.H.
What the SSPX does is resist St. Peter, as did St. Paul. Yet they maintain their loyalty to the Roman Pontiff, praying for him in every Holy Sacrifice of the Mass which they offer. Furthermore, they are not only gracious in their contacts with the Holy See and the local Ordinaries, but they also have never broken off contact with the Roman Church. Actually, they are in constant contact with the Roman Church and have been since their founding. (see Here)
Now contrasting this with real schismatic movements, such as the orthodox, and the various sects of the protestants. Those individuals in these mentioned groups, when entering into a schism, broke off all contacts. One way which this situation can be read is that it was the orthodox and protestants that burned their bridges. By burning ones bridges, these sects not only cut off all dialogue, but likewise cut off all ties that they had with Rome, i.e. ending any form in which they could exert pressure upon the Roman authorities in order to influence the Roman authorities behavior.
Here is how Dr. Joseph Shaw explains this situation:
The Greeks told us back in 1054 that the Pope was in error for adding the filioque to the Creed. In 1870 the ‘Old Catholics’ thought that the Pope and the First Vatican Council was in error over the definition of Papal Infallibility. In both cases, they, like many, many, groups in between, went into schism, which is to say that they stopped accepting the authority or communion of bishops and others who sided with the Pope.
While the SSPX, as opposed to the above identified groups, have never stopped accepting the authority or communion of bishops and others who sided with the Pope.
To be more precise, one must add the qualification: when that authority and communion were in accordance with the Universal Magistarium and Sacred Tradition.
And this is the key to understanding Francis’ actions in regards to the SSPX.
Therefore, it is THIS relationship dynamic which in FACT is what Francis is trying to control.
And why is this relationship dynamic a mortal threat to Francis and his co-conspirators?
Well, it’s because the Catholics who still possess an modicum of supernatural FAITH can resist this FrancisBishop of Rome in the same manner, and under the same justification that the SSPX have been resisting numerous Roman Pontiffs since 1975.
In other words, the SSPX has created a PROPER and LEGITAMATE MECHANISM, FIRMLY BASED IN NATURAL MORAL AND DIVINE LAW, for RESISTING any and all UNJUST ACTIONS of a ROMAN PONTIFF.
And it is the unbroken UNIVERSAL MAGISTERIUM and HOLY TRADITION that is the STANDARD against which the actions of any Roman Pontiff are JUDGED.
Given the above state of play (OBJECTIVE REALITY), how can will the 4 Cardinal’s “correction” CRISIS play itself out within the Holy Roman Catholic Church?
Here is one likely scenario:
In a post written by Dr. Joseph Shaw of the Latin Mass Society, we can read the following passage: (see Here)
As Cardinal Burke noted, a formal correction of the Pope might come from just a single cardinal – or, we might add, of non-cardinals.
And what is the significance of a formal correction? Here is this part:
The point is that it is part of process, in some hypothetical situation, in which it becomes clear to at least some people that the teaching of the Church is one thing, and the published opinion of the Pope (or what can be drawn from his publications and his silence with moral certainty), another.
What this means is that the OBJECTIVE REALITY of the situation will become clear in the minds of Faithful prelates. The OBJECTIVE REALITY is that the Roman Pontiff has taken a position that contradicts Divine Law.
And to follow the logical sequence, Dr. Shaw defines the end goal of the 4 Cardinal’s ‘correction’:
If that becomes clear, then it has implications, at least for the people to whom it becomes clear.
It is at this point where the SSPX’s PROPER WAY FORWARD comes into play.
If we are dealing with Catholic prelates who still hold the Catholic Faith, and one must assume that a number of them do, then it will become MANDATORY that these Catholic prelates (and not only prelates) take action.
The question is though, what can they, and what should they, and what must they do?
For the answer to this question, we go over to the post titled The Satanic Council. (see Here) In that post, your humble blogger has transcribed part of a conference address that Bishop Fellay, the Superior General of the SSPX gave to a number of the FAITHFUL. In this address, we can hear (read) the following:
It’s a catastrophe for the Church, (situation with the Joy of Sex and Francis’s actions) but it’s good, it’s good that finally there is a reaction.
I reference that which Dr. Shaw wrote about the implications for “the people to whom it becomes clear”. This is them.
Next:
It’s high time. And this reaction is growing.
Confirmation that there is resistance to the Roman Pontiff.
And now you have to reflect.
How can someone oppose the pope?
So what we see being described here is what we have termed as the PROPER and LEGITAMATE MECHANISM, FIRMLY BASED IN NATURAL MORAL AND DIVINE LAW, for RESISTING any and all UNJUST ACTIONS of a ROMAN PONTIFF.
Bishop Fellay goes on to explain:
We know, we have given the explanation. It’s not now. It’s (been for) years that we explained why we have the right to do so. (Resist an unjust action of a Roman Pontiff)
As for the situation of the Catholic, non-SSPX prelates, here is that passage:
But these bishops and cardinals, what there doing now, (they) must also reflect and have the right answer, how in… in which name do they have the right to oppose the pope.
The Holy Father.
The one who’s under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost.
And here is where Bishop Fellay explains how it is that these prelates in the post-conciliar church got ensnared in their own logical inconsistencies:
These are all the arguments that they gave to us, to say you must obey.
So under which name now they say: disobey.
And here is the PROPER ANSWER:
Well, there is only one answer. It’s because the Church in the past has already spoken about these things. And (She has) given the answer. And that’s what we call Tradition.
Concluding, what we see above is that Francis is trapped. He has tried to change Catholic doctrine through the back door. He has used threats, intimidation and punishment to force those prelates who still possess a modicum of supernatural FAITH into relenting and accepting his FALSE IDEOLOGY disguised as MERCY.
Yet he has not been able to push his changes through by force. What he has found is an opponent who is willing to resist. And this makes Francis “boil with rage”.
Yet the news in the Catholic post-conciliar church is not good either. These FAITHFUL prelates have been in a position where they just can’t ignore treachery introduced by certain elements within the post conciliar church. They understand that it is their salvation that is at stake, yet they have found themselves in a battle against forces who most likely don’t believe in either a Catholic God, or any other god, aside from their own alter-egos.
And by their fruits one can make this SUPPOSTION.
And Francis knows this also. Which is what lays behind his efforts to pacify the SSPX.
So now these Catholic prelates that have found themselves in this dire position, are looking for justification for doing what they must do. They now realize that the only justification that they have at their disposal is grounded in HOLY TRADITION. (see here)
And they must be thanking the Almighty God that they have the GENIUS of Archbishop Lefebvre to show them the way.
Or at least they soon will be…
I will end here, but will continue this thread as EVENTS proceed…
Cold Standing said:
this video is one you should find interesting
As a suggestion, think about the actions of the Argentinian in his proffering of mercy and… well watch it and react how you will
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S. Armaticus said:
Excellent.
Thank you for this clip.
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Michael E. Dowd said:
It seems to me the prudent decision for SSPX would be to diplomatically avoid overtures from Pope Francis. He is not to be trusted especially now since he has been put under the cloud of heresy by the four cardinals.
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Magdalene said:
But the communists in China can name bishops??? And, by the way, the Franciscans of the Immaculate are not suppressed officially. The Third Order in Italy was I understand but the friars and sisters who are left are carrying on with their duties and holiness in spite of great oppression and persecution and being under commissioners who want to change their charism even to abolishing poverty which is what makes a Franciscan, a Franciscan. The holiness of this Institute cannot well be tolerated in the current atmosphere of the Vatican where only judging, name calling and confusion seem to emanate from. But this holy and Marian charism will one day bloom and flourish again.
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S. Armaticus said:
HI:
You are correct. It was the FFI leadership that was suppressed.
S.A.
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Mark Thomas said:
Via your archive, your September 6, 2016 A.D. post noted the following:
“As to the negotiated undertakings themselves, it would appear that the SSPX would be allowed to function in the Catholic Church under a Personal Prelature from Francis, bishop of Rome or a “super diocese” as Bishop Fellay described it. The key points to this “super dioceses” would be that the SSPX would:’
5.and have the right to establish new communities and accept existing commuities who want to come into their structure.”
I find that hopeful and exciting. Have you received additional information as to the “super diocese?” Would the super diocese include FSSP, ICK, etc?
Thank you.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
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S. Armaticus said:
The “super diocese” is what is called a personal prelature. This would mean that the SSPX come directly under the pope (like the Opus Dei) and outside of the local ordinary’s control.
As I understand, the PP is stand-alone, in that it is not a part of the Ecclesia Dei Commission.
As to the establishment of communities, after the PP has been offered and leaked, and then explained by Abp. Pozzo, Francis then went and instated a ruling in the Congregation for Consecrated Life that forces all new communities to get his pre-approval, contradicting current Canon Law, which gives this right to the local ordinary.
So as you can see, there are a lot of moving parts.
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S. Armaticus said:
PS It gets even more bizarre. Abp. Pozzo asked the SSPX if they would be interested in opening a seminary in Rome. This came on the back of Francis closing the FFI seminary.
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Mark Thomas said:
I said in my previous comment that although that we disagree about His Holiness Pope Francis and his dealings with the SSPX, that “I respect greatly your love of God and His One True Church. You inspire me very much in that regard.”
I have spent time in your archive section. Your output has been tremendous. There are Catholics who utilize their blogs to generate money. It doesn’t appear that you do that.
I guess that you work to earn an income separate from your blog. In light of that (I imagine that I’m correct about your situation), your work here is amazing. Your output is amazing. You blog is top-notch.
That speaks to your love of God and His Holy Catholic Church.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
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S. Armaticus said:
Hi:
Yes, my blog I consider a work of mercy.
I come in to work an hour early, spend about 15 minutes looking over the latest developments and then 45 to write down what I think is important.
I started this blog because I sensed a great deal of despondency int the comment sections of other Catholic blogs.
Yet Our Lord promised us that the gates of hell shall not prevail, so I took it upon myself to try and push back against that general trend.
As to the SSPX, I will answer in the first earlier comment.
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Mark Thomas said:
S. Armaticus,
Thank you for the links that you referenced yesterday and today. Thank you for the information about the ICK-staffed Oratory in Detroit. I just Googled information about that. That is very uplift news.
To return please to your belief that His Holiness Pope Francis, despite the SSPX’s extremely positive comments about his acceptance and treatment of the Society, is determined to deceive the SSPX.
That view of Pope Francis doesn’t fit with the fact that Bishop Fellay and SSPX priests have noted that going back years and years to Argentina, Pope Francis and the SSPX have enjoyed an honest, positive relationship.
The SSPX said that throughout their years together, Bishop/Archbishop/Cardinal Bergoglio insisted that the SSPX is Catholic. He said that he would never condemn the SSPX. He insisted that the Faithful have the right to attach themselves to SSPX chapels.
SSPX priests in Argentina presented themselves several times to Cardinal/Archbishop Bergoglio to receive his blessings. He cooperated with the SSPX each time they requested his assistance.
He was instrumental in helping the SSPX in Argentina to receive governmental recognition that the SSPX is Catholic.
Therefore, in light of his impressive record in having dealt in holy, honest fashion for years and years with the SSPX, I find it difficult to believe that Pope Francis intends to crush the SSPX.
I have every reason to accept Bishop Fellay’s very positive assessment of Pope Francis’ dealings with the SSPX. Bishop Fellay has met Pope Francis. He has engaged in serious discussion with Pope Francis. Bishop Fellay has my confidence in his positive assessment of the state of relations between Pope Francis and the SSPX.
Thank you for the opportunity to offer my thoughts on this topic. I realize that we disagree on the issue at hand. But I respect greatly your love of God and His One True Church. You inspire me very much in that regard.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
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S. Armaticus said:
Francis’ attitude to the SSPX is a true mystery. All of what you say in the above email is correct.
He also had the FFI in his diocese in Buenos Aires and he literally hated them. Yet with the SSPX, he helps them at ever opportunity he gets.
Before I go further, please listen (and read) the Fr. Stehlin homily in the Who’s on first post. Fr. Stehlin says that Francis hates who the SSPX are, but that he appreciates the hard work that they do.
Whereas, he didn’t appreciate the FFI. This could be due to them being a contemplative order. Francis has no time for contemplative orders. He is known to have told Dscalced nuns to “get out more often”.
So how to explain this conundrum?
One explanation comes from a phenomenon that has recently been identified as “virtue signaling”. Here is how wikipedia defines it:
“Virtue signalling is the expression or promotion of viewpoints that are especially valued within a social group, especially when this is done primarily to enhance the social standing of the speaker.[1][2][3] The term is chiefly used by commentators to criticize what they regard as the platitudinous and empty or superficial support of socially progressive views on social media,[2][3] but has also been used to describe analogous behaviour in other groups, such as pro-gun rights grandstanding among the American right,[3] and by signalling theorists to discuss conspicuous piety among the religious faithful as well as agnostics and atheists.[4] ”
So the manner in which we can explain Francis’ affinity for the SSPX is that he sees them are truly Catholic in that they operate the entire host of Catholic social works facilities. He then goes on to use the SSPX as a battering ram against those “lazy, good for nothing” diocesan butterfly, wheeler dealer priests.
By doing this, Francis gives himself the veneer of righteousness (everyone sees the SSPX hustling so we have confirmation bias) which in turn enhances his social standing as the ONE righteous among the rest. He did this with the Argentinian Jews and Muslims also. Actually, he did this with every leftist special interest in Buenos Aires, including the abortionists and the masons.
Now I know that this is a cynical view of Francis. But it does explain him quite accurately.
PS Think: the set of pictures of Bergoglio on the bus.
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Cold Standing said:
Somebody has been watching David Wood videos
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Mark Thomas said:
Bishop Fellay has denounced the notion that His Holiness Pope Francis desires to neutralize the Society. I accept Bishop Fellay’s assessment of Pope Francis’ determination to treat the SSPX in honest fashion.
The Society has stated that from his days in Argentina to date, Pope Francis has viewed the SSPX as Catholic. He has always treated the SSPX in honest and solicitous fashion.
By the way, I discovered your blog recently. Although I disagree with you in regard to Pope Francis’ dealings with the SSPX, I appreciate the time and effort that you devote to God and His True Church.
It is obvious that you love God and Holy Mother Church.
Thank you.
Mark Thomas
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S. Armaticus said:
Hi Mark:
Just remember, the SSPX are very diplomatic when dealing with Rome. And they treat the Petrine Office with the respect that it is due.
But, and there is a but…
If you want to have a peak into what the true attitude is from the leadership, I suggest you spend 30 minutes and watch this:
BTW, thanks for the kind word.
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Aindrea said:
The SSPX is great, but traditionalists should *not* be “fenced-off” into the SSPX – as if that is the only option. They must stand firm where they are, in their legitimate positions as Priests and Bishops of the church – and speak the truth – whether or not they are members of the Society.
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S. Armaticus said:
ABSOLUTELY.
We all need to stay where we are. We can’t give up the Church to the Modernists.
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Ana Milan (@ana_milan9) said:
If (when) the Dubia is successful & we can wave arrivederci to PF & his crew then a return to order & tradition can & must be undertaken immediately.
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S. Armaticus said:
It will.
There are a lot of diocesan ordinaries that realize this now. They are laying low because they don’t want their diocese falling into neo-Modernist hands.
So the news is real good, and only getting better. 😉
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Philip Johnson said:
Anna .I hope you are right about the Dubia.If Francis fails to answer this his further sayings become Heretical per se.Keep writing!
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S. Armaticus said:
This post below gives us an idea of a potential process going forward.
http://www.lmschairman.org/2016/11/what-could-happen-next.html
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dowd2015 said:
Is not one ultimate solution to Pope Francis heresies is for dissenting Bishops and Cardinals to simply join SSPX? This seems like common sense to me. Anyway the more public focus we get on this subject the better. So thanks for all you do to keep us on the side of the angels. That would be good angels.
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S. Armaticus said:
No. Everyone needs to stay where they are at. We need friendly bishops to bring SSPX priests into their dioceses and sell them closed down churches.
This is happening in a couple of overseas diocese now, but I don’t know if the information is public yet.
As soon as I see it in the public domain, I will post more.
But there is a lot of good things happening everywhere. One such place is the Philippines. Will have more to say in future posts.
So the Church is actually cleaning itself out “organically”.
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Mark Thomas said:
S. Armaticus said…”We need friendly bishops to bring SSPX priests into their dioceses and sell them closed down churches. This is happening in a couple of overseas diocese now, but I don’t know if the information is public yet.”
I am thankful that there are bishops who cooperate with the Society. Along that line of cooperation with the SSPX, Bishop Fellay has noted the following: There are bishops who have informed the SSPX that when the SSPX is regularized, said bishops will ask the SSPX to run parishes and instruct seminarians.
As they are open to the TLM and Holy Tradition, why don’t the bishops in question initiate that process now? Why don’t bishops insist that their priests learn, then offer, the TLM? Why don’t the bishops in question call upon the FSSP, ICK, etc., to run parishes?
I don’t understand as to why Tradition-friendly bishops refuse to act now in that regard.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
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S. Armaticus said:
HI:
I think this is slowly happening.
But it is not getting any coverage because it is not in the best interest of those ordinaries to publicize this.
How do we know this?
We know this from the actions of Francis. What we see Francis doing is trying to intimidate the ordinaries of the universal Church to suppress the Summorum Pontificum. First he destroyed the FFI. And now he is trying to limit the movement across to the proper Mass. This is most likely what is behind his attempts to bring the SSPX under Modernist Rome in order to control them.
Here is the background: https://sarmaticusblog.wordpress.com/2016/09/06/indefectible-church-subsisting-inside-neo-modernist-roman/
So given the above, is it any wonder why we don’t hear a lot about the inroads that the Ecclesia Dei communities are making in the diocese?
BTW, the ICK just took over a large church in the Detroit area.
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