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Quick post today. Over at Gloria.TV this here below…
Over at Rorate Caeli, also a post about the Restoration of the Latin Mass here.
And the Restoration of the Latin Mass is also featured in this post at the Pertinacious Papist site here.
And one more thing. This humble blogger has a very important day today. Any prayers coming his way would be greatly appreciated.
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Why Is Francis So Afraid of the Roman Rite?
a February 14 audience for the participants in the plenary of the Liturgy Congregation, Pope Francis read a text about the liturgical development of the past fifty years which sounded like a parody compared to what really happened.
Francis claimed that in the 1960s the Church’s “praying tradition” needed “renewed expressions, without losing anything of its millennial wealth.” However, as a result of the changes, the “millennial wealth” was lost, and the “renewed expressions” turned out to be a flop.
As if he wanted to make fun about the disaster, Francis called to continue this journey “with wise constancy”.
Using a shaky 19th century Lebensphilosophie, he went on claiming that the liturgy is “life that forms”, not an “idea to be learned”, or that “reality is more important than the idea”. But life forms through ideas, and behind the liturgy are God’s life, ideas and reality, not ours.
Francis called the liturgy “the epiphany of ecclesial communion”. Something like that may be true for a party meeting but Catholic liturgy is the epiphany of God, not of men.
His strongest fears are toward the millennial Roman Liturgy against which he launched a furious attack:
“When we look back to nostalgic past tendencies or wish to impose them again, there is the risk of placing the part before the whole, the ‘I’ before the People of God, the abstract before the concrete, ideology before communion and, fundamentally, the worldly before the spiritual.”
It is a fact that the future belongs to the Old Rite families, that nostalgia is a phenomenon among those who – like Francis – idealize a failed reform, and that the Novus Ordo is “imposed” on the faithful while the Roman Rite is chosen freely.
Thus, Francis puts a partial, narrow-minded “reform” in an egocentric way before the good of the Church, his abstract liturgical ideas before the faithful, liberal ideology before truth, and fashions before the eternity of the Spirit.
The Deus Ex Machina Blog 
I consider most post Vatican II canonizations dubious, with the notable exception of Padre Pio. As well as the Cristero Martyrs like San Justino Orona Madrigal.
But John XIII; Who ignored the direct command of Our Lady at Fatima to reveal the Secret by 1960: a saint?
Paul VI, less so. His vice shall not be named among you, quoth the Apostle. Clericalism, that was it.
And as to this antipope, George the Mad of Argentina (“Francis I”), I reckon I’d prefer an excommunication at his hands to a canonization.
Did you all realize that from the canonization of Pius V (+1572),to the modern era, there was only one canonized Pope, the most venerable Beppo Sarto—Pius X.
The High Middle Ages saw something like three canonized popes.
Yet in the apparent death throes of the Church all of a sudden everyone’s a saint! And we have all these ‘sainted’ popes. Meh, to quote our humble blogger.
Again, highly dubious and may one be forgiven for noting a highly political pattern.
I do not believe our fem bishops and our fag bishops—Dolan O’Malley DiNardo I mean you; Tobin Cupich Farrell I mean you—would even bat an eye were an antipope, for example Jorge the Mad of Buenos Aires who styles himself “Francis I,” to self canonize.
His master the devil did it too—he made himself a king.
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re: https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2019/02/around-5000-priests-currently-celebrate.html
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5,000 priests around the world. The situation is tragic.
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Three good priests is all it takes. We have it on good authority from “Francis the First’s” own boss, the devil hisself.
Who once told St John Vianney—Patron of parish priests: “If there were three such priests as yourself on Earth, my kingdom would be vanquished.”
So agreed it looks grim for the good guys but all the growth is on the traditional side: 7:1 ratio of vocations per capita trad v nervous disorder.
We’ll need Fatima for sure. But we’ve been outnumbered before—more or less from the beginning including from Thermopylae through to Cyprus, Rhodes, Vienna and Lepanto.
At Calvary on Golgotha too.
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… and through the Seige of Malta too.
The Seige was a major battle that doesn’t get the credit that Vienna or Lepanto gets.
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Absolutely true—thanks for the catch. Plus Malta—six years before Lepanto in 1565 was a complete victory for the good guys.
I would highly recommend Ernie Bradford’s The Shield and the Sword for the history of the Knights Hospitaller of St John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta, the former sovereign state pretty much snuffed out by “Francis I.”
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I have a soft spot for the Knights…
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Ernle Bradford.
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“all the growth is on the traditional side” – yes, that is right but the opponents know it and they comfortably occupy the gorge of Thermopylae. They cannot afford to simply die out and the major clash in the future seems inevitable.
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I would say that context is key.
Some of us remember the days when there were no proper Masses anywhere.
Today, wherever you travel, you can find a TLM in or around most major cities.
W/r/t Poland, as of last year, there is now a TLM in every one of Poland’s dioceses. That is impressive…
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Do you think JPII is a saint?
I think he was personally holy and loved Christ but engaged in a lot of erroneous thinking and was a modernist. He was naive and didn’t recognize evil among the ranks of priests. His head was in the clouds and the Church became increasingly sick and deformed during his reign. That he promulgated World Youth Days with all its tawdriness is a scandal.
The liturgy suffered greatly under his reign. The good and holy Archbishop LeFebrvre was persecuted by him.
Pray for me that I might not become too bitter about JPII.
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The manner in which I would answer that question is: it all depends.
If Francis is a true pope, then the answer is yes.
If Fancis is not a true pope, then the answer is: it depends. And it would depend on a future “true pope” affirming his canonization.
But for now, we give JPII the benefit of the doubt until an official Papal pronouncment otherwise.
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In other words, this is again a ‘novel legalism’ to wash away the 26 years reign of John Paul II (RIP). And Pope Benedict, a saint in the making……according to the ‘wise’ of this confusion and diabolical disorientation…..Ave Maria!
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fr+hesse+modernism
May God bless all soldiers of Jesus Christ, and the Mother of God!
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1. I understand the idea that we should be glad of what we have. However, the context is that, for example, in Poland there are over 10,000 parish churches (plus auxiliary plus religious chapels). Some of us remember the days when there were Roman Masses in every of them. And when you compare the above number with the total number of 5,000 per Earth, yes, that context is terrifying.
2. Referring to Poland where priests are persecuted when pledge to say the Traditional Roman Mass only, I am not able to be “impressed”, in particular when I realize that in those diocesan or even metropolitan cities (with the population reaching several hundred thousand) with seminaries and other so-called Catholic universities there is often one priest per city who says the TLM regularly. There is also no religious order who uses the TLM (even in the so-called “atheist” Bohemia there are Cistercians in Vyssi Brod) and no TLM seminary – in spite of Poland being called one of last sources of priests in Europe. Quite peculiar – don’t you think? The inductive reasoning implies a conclusion that the hierarchy in Poland do not want it and is afraid of it as contrary to the spirit and legacy of John Paul II – the most prominent Pope of the Council and the most prominent Pole of last decades. To summarize: yes, there are some TLM in diocesan churches in Poland (and that’s the good part). Yes, they are limited to a kind of natural reserves or museums, with a care that they will not attract too many people. Yes, they are attempts to canalize the interest in the TLM of, particularly, young Poles (via post-conciliar strongholds such as Opus Dei). And so on.
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Half full v half empty argument.
As to “some of us who remember”, you must be in your 60’s if that’s the case.
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1. Far from it. I would sing with joy if it were half full – half empty.
2. Non sequitur. I referred to Catholics attending the TRM – e.g. my mother.
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Why Is Francis So Afraid Of The Roman Rite?
It is no secret…..for the same reason as his post-Vatican II, predecessors have been…..yes, or, no!
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No.
So-called “Francis I,” Jorge from Argentina, hates the Old Mass with a cold fury in sharp contrast to Benedict, who penned the greatest sentence put to paper of the Popes of the 20th Century.
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It’s a novel ‘legalism’ to wash away the last 50 years that Rome and the Curia have treated like trash devout traditionalists, priests and devout Catholics who simply wanted the Mass.
I don’t know how Benedict XVI could pull off the “never abrogated” idea. It was manifestly abrogated, by Paul VI’s words and actions; by JP II’s words and actions (including his indults, which demonstrates that TLM needed his permission, and by Benedict XVI himself, who never offered the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass publicly.)
http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/legitimacy-quo-primum-2409
The legitimacy of Quo Primum
http://fsspx.news/en/news-events/news/tridentine-mass-has-it-been-abrogated-21239
The Tridentine Mass ; has it been abrogated?
In the end, the Just Judge is more than capable of sorting all of this out…….
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It was abrogated de facto but not de jure. Similarly (though the analogy is very imperfect) Paul VI recognised Jewish state of Israel de facto (meeting with diplomats) but not earlier than during the reign of John Paul II, it was recognised de jure. The attempt to eradicate the TRM in practice is undeniable.
The idea of Benedict XVI was to link up both liturgies / rites by hermeneutics, ignoring all the discrepancies, including but not limited to the fundamental difference between the rule and the indult.
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It’s a novel ‘legalism’ to wash away the last 50 years that Rome and the Curia have treated like trash devout traditionalists, priests and devout Catholics who simply wanted the Mass.
I don’t know how Benedict XVI could pull off the “never abrogated” idea. It was manifestly abrogated, by Paul VI’s words and actions; by JP II’s words and actions (including his indults, which demonstrates that TLM needed his permission, and by Benedict XVI himself, who never offered the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass publicly.)
http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/legitimacy-quo-primum-2409
The legitimacy of Quo Primum
In the end, the Just Judge is more than capable of sorting all of this out…….
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@Halina1954: Perhaps you have answered your own question (pulling off “never abrogated” idea): Even under the guise of authority or with actual authority, manifestly abrogating that which is unabrogable or mutating that which is immutable can not be done. Abrogation of the TLM could not be done.
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Exactly correct.
The Catholic Church has boundaries within it MUST function. Those boundaries are set out by God and contained in His creation. In other words, if God created Natural Law to regulate His creation, the Catholic Church cannot violate those divine precepts.
Therefore, no matter how big of a mess Francis makes, a return to proper Catholicism will be very easy in that a future Roman Pontiff will just have to reaffirm Natural Law and reconcile all post-conciliar documents to it.
And it can’t be any other way…
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PS Same for Catholic doctrine. All a future Pontiff will need to do is reconcile post-conciliar docs with Tradition.
Here Jordan Peterson really nails the importance of Tradition in some of his lectures.
Just as a reminder:
https://sarmaticusblog.wordpress.com//?s=greatest+sentence&search=Go
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“What earlier generations held as sacred, remains sacred and great for us too, and it cannot be all of a sudden entirely forbidden or even considered harmful.”
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Greetings and salutations, Scorpio—Praters and the Old Mass coming your way at high noon.
Great post.
Of course, Jorge Bergoglio of Buenos Aires, who styles himself “Pope Francis I” hates the Gregorian Rite. Look at how he has directed his ire at every traditional group within the Church so far.
Destroy the priesthood—through the twofold path of the project of Amoralis Laetitia and that other project of “Francis the First”—namely, enthroning, establishing, protecting, and defending the Homosexual Network Strangling the Church, and destroy the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
All the easier to lead the sheep into the Gate of his master.
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That’s: Scipio. Mass at noon for your intention. And Rosary.
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A big Deo gratias!
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The entire point of the Novus Ordo liturgy and the Vatican II Council was to aid and abet the destruction of orthodoxy in the Catholic Church in order to bring the Church in line with Modernist/Freemason plan on a One World Religion for the New World Order.
Note quote from Archbishop Buginin who was responsible for the New Mass.
“We must strip from our Catholic prayers and from the Catholic liturgy everything which can be the shadow of a stumbling block for our separated brethren; that is for the Protestants.”
– Archbishop Annibale Bugnini, L’Osservatore Romano, March 19, 1965
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Did you not notice that the Second Vatican Council was carried out by popes, bishops and priests who did not celebrate other masses than just in the Tridentine rite?
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Very true. It wasn’t itself enough. The betrayal runs deeper. See James Larson on St Francis and his betrayal at RosarytotheInterior.com.
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Although some of those priests as alleged about Archbishop Sorondo today don’t actually offer the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass at all, or if they do one must conclude it is likely a sacrilegious mess as for example with McCarrick and his ilk.
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Michael—It so would appear.
All I can say is, quoting my peasant grandma from the mountains of Italy—“we was robbed.”
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