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Something to watch this weekend from the “I told ya so” file…
… with a nice cool glass of Chardonnay in hand.
The Holy Spirit is on the case…
PS For those who critisize Dr. Peterson for not “being” Catholic, this humble blogger has a question:
Who else could make the claim that Catholicism is the ONE TRUE FAITH to a Jewish person and get away with it?
Hint: Dignitatis humanae
Have a lovely weekend.
UPDATE 15:15 24 May 2019
Oh yea, and one more thing.
Remember how in August of 2016 we started noticing something strange going on with the US election, something that resembled a coup d’etat?
Yea, that….
The Deus Ex Machina Blog 
Man, I love your blog!
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Jordan Peterson is an interesting person. I can’t figure him out, but since grace builds on nature there is plenty of reason to be optimistic. And much of what he says is common sense which isn’t so common today. It’s refreshing. Thanks for the post and I found the discussion in the comments section very interesting (and respectful which is also refreshing when so many blogs are filled with vitriolic comments and personal attacks).
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What’s amazing is that I never had to ban anyone from this blog. It appears as if those who don’t have anything useful to contribute to the discussion, just go away…
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I finished watching the video. Jordan is a Catholic in spirit and truth but lacks faith which, as we know, is a gift from God. I pray for Jordan every day that one day he will go all the way.
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Sam,
Our objection to your trying to make “Jordan Peterson, Catholic” happen is that
it should wait until he actually, is, you know, a Catholic.
Because that has a concrete meaning that he does not, as yet, fit.
No disrespect to you, or Dr. Peterson. We just want some accuracy, since as you point out often: language means something.
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The first part of the video he talks about “pilgrimage” and having to challenge yourself because necessity brings things out of you even physiologically. In his very next breath he responds to the question “do you believe in God” by saying that would be an “audacious” belief because living up to that belief is an “unbearable task.” Unbearable task – his words – after just going on and on about the necessity to subject ourselves to such tasks. And his interlocutor didn’t even challenge him on it probably because it blew right by him. That’s when I turned it off.
And he quotes the Nietzsche stupidity that “Christ was the only Christian” as if that is some profound observation.
Christ Himself instructed us to “be perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect,” knowing good and well that we would not make Godly perfection in this life, but it is the struggle for holiness, with the help of His grace and the Sacraments, that is required. That is what matters here.
Dr. Peterson just admitted as much, then denied it as “audacious” in his very next breath.
I’m with you. Let me know when he finally figures it out and actually is Catholic. I hope that day arrives. Perhaps he could write a book about it which I would be interested in reading. Until then, there are other more edifying things to consume, too much even for one man in a lifetime.
That stated, take it not as a criticism of this blog or it’s author, whose efforts and sincere, faithful optimism are appreciated which is why I visit. Simply a difference of opinion on Dr. Peterson.
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I understand…
But it’s a process…
For what it’s worth:
This is a guy who originally left “religion”, i.e. his protestant sect becaue it didn’t make sense to him. He was 15 at the time.
Now, through his own intellectual honesty, he is at the phase where he is admitting intrinsically that the Catholic Faith is the ONE TRUE FAITH.
And he has a massive global following that hangs on his every word. He even has a group known as the “Christian atheist” that follow him and are coming back churches. In essense, to a psychological interpretation of Scripture.
I will go one better. In some of his videos, he explains Tradition (Piagetian explanation) and makes the claim that he is a traditionalist.
I bet that if I had the time, I could go through all this videos and demonstrate that he is a bona fide big “C” Catholic. The evidence is there…
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I think Jordan is doing tremendous good. He is leading people to Truth and Beauty aka Christ.
I met a young man at an airport. We were sharing a charging outlet. He was affluent appearing—a millennial. We got to talking and by the things he was saying I asked if he followed Jordan Peterson. He was gob-smacked that I guessed what caused such passion in him. This young man and millions like him hold the future. This cannot be a bad thing.
To pooh-pooh this movement is wrong headed. God’s ways are mysterious.
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Thanks for the anecdote.
Here’s how I see the wider situation. We are in a cultural war that could easily spill out into a literal, civil war. You have a radicalized element within society that is bent on destroying everything that came before. Their main “enemy” is the Catholic Church, but not wanting to seem like they are picking on any one denomination, they attack Christianity in general. Their weapon at present is ridicule and denigration. They are trying to make people think that they are insane by being a “believer”. Now they are even beginning to try and criminalize Christianity. Listen to the anti-Catholic rhetoric from some of the Democrat Senators. The “atheist” movement is one of these vehicles for the anti-Catholicism. Another is the satanic movement which is an extention of the atheists.
And into this mix comes Jordan Peterson and says: “Hey, you guys are wrong” And here is why you are wrong. And not only are you wrong, you are anti-science. You are anti-intellectual. You don’t understand anything. If you were an intellectual, you would at least appreciate Catholicism on a psychological level. You don’t have to believe, but if you act like if you believe, good things will happen to you. You will be happier in life and you will achieve more. And if you are in such a terrible state that I can’t help you, well then you need to “go to Catholic confession”.
Folks, for the state of play that we find ourselves in, it doesn’t get any better than this.
Moreover, what is happening is that people that listen to Peterson are basically getting an introductory course in Catholicism. Think about it this way, they are “getting onto a platform” that then allows them to, for example … speak to a priest and understand what that priest is telling them.
This is why I simply love your encounter Akita. You were able to have a meaningful conversation with the young man because he is on that “platform”. He understands because he is listening and taking in what Peterson is explaining (teaching). And what Peterson is teaching, fills a huge need in today’s society.
If we only had some religious order, say the Dominicans who would get into this “market space” and tie together that which Peterson is teaching on a natural level with that which Our Lord taught on the supernatural into one neat package….
But they are too afraid of FrancisChurch to do that just yet.
End of rant…
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Alcoholics Anonymous has employed much of what Jordan maintains since 1935. Even more AA reflects the teaching of the Catholic Church–pre-Vatican II that is. The idea of a higher power, our fallen nature, the need to confess our sins to another person, to get ride of our vices and develop good habits, etc. If you wish to see how folks have turned their lives around attend an Open AA meeting in your area. Miracles happen every day there.
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And Peterson, who did his PhD dissertation on substance abuse claims that nothing is as effective in helping alcoholics (and other substance abusers) as a return to religion. This is where I think he got his observation that “regardless if one believes, he should act like God exists.”.
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Sam–Lots thoughtful response here. Hope more folks will notice your blog and participate. You bring hope for the world and the Church— a most worthwhile mission. Keep up your good work. I note that Frank Walker (Canon 212) is helping the cause.
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I agree with your reply. Especially with regards to the ‘unbearable task’ of being a Christian. This is why we are to pick up our cross and follow Him, for His yoke is sweet and His burden light. I like Jordan Peterson, but who in the audience would want to convert to Jesus Christ if it is an unbearable task? I pray he will accept the grace of faith from Jesus Christ. However, faith comes before understanding, and he has to trust in Jesus first.
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I agree with the “unbearable task” observation, but what I think is more important is that JPeterson makes the whole notion of conversion acceptable.
If you listen closely to his cirtics, the main criticism is that Peterson is making Christianity acceptable again. A lot of money, time and effort has been spent to make Christianity into a Coney Island freak show. And here comes this guy, who doesn’t tell you if he believes or not, making the claim that regardless of whether you believe, you should act like its (supernatural) is real. And if you do, good things will happen. And if your in a dark place, and I can’t help you, “go to Catholic confession”.
I wonder how many people took his advice with respect to the latter.
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I understand you position, and I wasn’t referring to you…
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Is Jordan Peterson more Catholic in the way he views reality than Pope Francis?
To me the answer is clear.
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Michael,
That’s not even a serious question…
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Yes, it’s more of a statement than a questions. But to most Catholics–Protestantized as they are by Vatican II–it is a serious question.
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