Context: Francis and the race against time.

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Monday brings good news.

New Catholic (Rorate Caeli) provides more insight into the Eponymous Flower post pertaining to the dying N.O. church in France (that DeM has wrote about here) and the success that the Catholic restoration forces are having not only in French church circles, but also at the wider social level.

New Catholic, in his post focuses on church “geopolitics” of the “Rhineland Alliance” (Germany, Benelux and France) which subverted the II Vatican Council transforming the Catholic Church into the present “church of man”. This transformation is bearing unintended consequences for the Western European churchs, the most notable of which is the “near” total destruction of the church in France.

In the blog post, New Catholic writes:

The comparison between Catholicism in France and Germany is one we have been considering for some time. The three lands that “made” the Second Vatican Council (the Rhine lands) were Germany, France, and the Low Countries. So one would have expected the same logic to have prevailed in the past Synod. But that is not what happened.

Did you notice there were practically no French voices heard in favor of the Pope’s propositions in the Synod? Not openly, anyway. Think about it: that is quite unexpected, considering that both the very election of John XXIII and the Council as it developed were Franco-German events. When Cardinal Vingt-Trois of Paris (not a conservative) spoke during the Synod, it was to defend the Wojtylian positions.

Yes. The Wojtylians are the key, as this writer has so often stressed. It is the JP II generation that populates most of the church structures in the global church. These folks are not revolutionaries. They are social conservatives, and presently are mad as hell about the total disregard of JP II’s Familiaris Consortio at the Secret Synod of 2014. And from the RC post, looks like they are gaining “converts”. I quote:

When Cardinal Vingt-Trois of Paris (not a conservative) spoke during the Synod, it was to defend the Wojtylian positions.

Which brings us to the “forces of Francis”. The radical modernists are in a race against time. The recent change in the procedure to “fire” bishops  is a great case in point. The longer they wait, the more dire their position becomes. And New Catholic concludes his post by naming the culprits when he writes:

The German situation is absolutely distorted by the Church tax paid by all nominal or “cultural” Catholics, regardless of their actual Catholic life; in France, since the clergy depends on actually church-going Catholics, not merely nominal Catholics, it is a highly complex matter for the episcopate to position themselves against the people who truly support them. The evolution of the situation in Germany’s neighbors to West and East, France and Poland (where there is State funding for many Church activities, but where 80% of Church expenses are nonetheless covered by voluntary donations), does not appear to look good for the German Hierarchy’s radical intentions in the long run. That also explains why the Kasper-Marx Radical coalition is in a race against time in their use of the current pontificate to reach their anti-Catholic ends. In a couple of decades, it won’t be this easy.

Yes indeed. I would even venture to say that in a few years time it won’t be easy. Especially if the economic situation in the church of France forces the bishops of the “Churches oldest daughter” to man up and and gets a pair.
 

 

T -198: Bishop of Rome v Logic. Logic wins. Again!

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Note: If any of you out there had your comparative religions class (remember those), you will have flashbacks after reading the below.

“Catholics and Evangelicals”

That The Bones You Have Crushed May Thrill blog has the story (link here).

TTBYHCMT Blog:(Reproduced with emphasis and comment)

Evangelicals have many strengths, among which in many communities is an obstinate refusal to revise the Word of God as they inherit it. They may not believe what Catholics believe about the Bible, but they do retain an insistence that their interpretation of the Word of God, does not simply change with the passage of time.

This is not starting out to good for the bishop of Rome.

Their beliefs cannot happily co-exist in a united Church without one group of Christians changing their entire belief system. In seeking union, the One True Church would require Evangelicals to accept Catholic doctrine regarding Sacraments (as well as other issues and dogmas), or instead the Evangelicals would require the One True Church to abandon Her Sacraments (and Her dogma).

Logic a 7 year old could understand.   Unless… that is…. we have a “magician” at our disposal! But I digress….

In order for ‘full communion’ to exist between the Catholic Church and Evangelicals, Evangelicals would need to accept the entire Doctrine of the Catholic Church and profess belief in it. Alternatively, the Catholic Church can jettison nearly 2,000 years of tradition and dogma and Her entire Faith and just become a Protestant Evangelical Alliance, but any Pope who sought to do that would be, well…words wouldn’t do that Pope justice. That would be the Protestant Reformation exploding the Church from within and from the top. Pope Francis may truly believe that an insistence on dogma is ‘in the way’ of much that he would like to see happen in terms of the Catholic Church’s response to a great deal, but if any Pope denies articles of Faith, Catholic Doctrine, that individual would traditionally be regarded as some kind of anti-pope figure, who should be resisted by the Faithful and ignored by everyone else.

Oh my! That sticky wicket “capitulation” rears its ugly head. Now we know Francis is against “capitulation.”

And now for the punch line:

That said, as Gloria TV highlighted yesterday, even Baptists are asking some pretty eye-brow raising questions of Pope Francis…

No. Not Gloria TV! Say it ain’t so, Jorge?

Summa Summarum from TT:
The efficacy of the Christian announcement would certainly be greater if Christians would overcome their divisions and could celebrate together the Sacraments and together spread the Word of God and witness to charity” [Francis quote] [B/t/w Spot the DeM? ]. Either Pope Francis is calling upon Evangelicals and other Christians to accept the fullness of Catholic Truth and come into full communion with the Successor of St Peter or he is calling upon the Church to abandon Her Sacraments. Out of the two options, should any union occur, I know which one I suspect to be the case. I don’t know how many Evangelicals are into a poor church for the poor, but then neither is the German Catholic Church terribly keen on that aim. If the Catholic Church incorporated the Evangelical communities, that would, ironically, create a rich church for the rich. A poor church for the poor in the West is a Church faithful to Jesus Christ in times of unpopularity for that fidelity. Of course, the great sell-off of the Catholic religion would reap a healthy revenue indeed, but only at the price of total apostasy.

Yep! Call it a Mexican standoff or a binary situation, but one thing is for certain: it can’t be both.

B/t/w, this is one of the best analysis of the “ecumaniacal” folly of Francis that I have read to date.

And nicely tied in to the “economics of religion” theme.

Because, if you want to understand what Begoglio is up to, you have to “follow the money”.

And it’s plain for all to see.