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For those interested in and following the recognition of the Society of St. Pius X by post-conciliar Rome and rectifying the gross injustice that was done to Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX, I have not been posting on this matter lately. The reason being that I could not get any confirmation as to the true situation on the ground.
For those who recall, in a post titled The SSPX Wants To Know, Who’s On First?, we presented a video of a sermon given by Fr. Karl Stehlen, the District Superior for Asia, after his return from a SSPX District Superiors meeting that took place from June 25 to 28, 2016. After that meeting, two communique’s appeared (see here and here).
Without getting into the specifics, the position of the SSPX appears to be and has always been that the SSPX will not sign any “agreement” that comprimise the great work that has arisen from the charism of the SSPX.
Yet lately, information has appeared that could contradict the above base line scenario. There are even dates being mentioned as to a potential act of “recognition”. (see here)
So bearing this in mind, I am reproducing a post that appeared on the SSPX US District website (see here). I will not comment, but it would appear that it sets out the proper record for what is the OBJECTIVE REALITY in the matter.
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Bp. Fellay: Clarity Needed to Move Forward
His Excellency explains that before the SSPX accepts a prelature, clarity from Rome is needed regarding errors of Vatican II.
On January 29, Bishop Bernard Fellay gave a 20 minute interview to TVLibertés. The Superior General’s answer on TV about the canonical structure of the Personal Prelature offered to the Society of St. Pius X was short:
“We have told Rome, very clearly, that, just as Archbishop Lefebvre used to say in his day, we have a sine qua non condition: if this condition is not met, then we will not move. And this condition is for us to be able to remain as we are, to keep all the principles that have kept us alive, that have kept us Catholic.”
To the question of Jean-Pierre Maugendre, “And so today, concretely, what is still missing?”, Bishop Fellay answered:
“The seal. And also the clear, straightforward statement that these guarantees will be respected.”
An Imminent Resolution?
Immediately some concluded that a canonical resolution for the SSPX was imminent. The day after, Archbishop Pozzo was reported by Andrea Tornielli in La Stampa as giving some credence to to the same news…as if everything depended on a simple statement.
Things are not so easy on the side of the Society. On January 26, in an hour-long interview with Fr. Alain Lorans, SSPX, at Radio Courtoisie, Bishop Fellay explained what he understands by guarantees and the condition “to be able to remain as we are”. (See Bishop Fellay’s text below.)
The problem is not a canonical structure which would not be acceptable. On the contrary, even though “there are details that need improving…[and] matters that still need to be discussed”, the Personal Prelature “is adequate and suits our needs” says Bishop Fellay.
A Battle of Ideas
“The problem is, once again, this battle of ideas,” he stated. These ideas, for example, are ecumenism, religious liberty, the relations between Church and State, and the reformed liturgy. As Bishop Fellay says,
“…[we fight against] this modernist way of thinking, against which, or because of which, we were even declared schismatic and everything else, outside of the Church….
Error remains error. So we remain today, just as before, just as convinced that there are errors that have been spread in the Church and that are killing the Church.”
New Roman Attitude
Bishop Fellay explains that, in the doctrinal discussions with Rome, there is a new attitude regarding these errors, which are doctrinal roots of the moral issues of today. These errors, the key points imposed since the Second Vatican Council as part of the new magisterium of the Church, would not be anymore “required criteria for being Catholic”. In front of this new attitude, Bishop Fellay wonders: “Is it just a door, or is it really a path? Is it a safe path?” Here lay the guarantees to be able to remain as we are. “I mean, are we really going to be able to continue as we are?”
Bishop Fellay, in order to consider accepting a canonical structure, does not expect a complete, immediate change in the Church or a magical return to Tradition.
“We understand that it takes time to purify and remove these errors, we understand. Men cannot be changed just like that; all sorts of bad habits have been acquired by now…”
Liberty to Continue the Fight
What is it expected then? A clear guarantee that the errors of the Council will not be imposed on the SSPX; on the contrary, we will be given the liberty to continue to fight them. The bishop asks the question for today: “Is there any intention to leave this way of thinking that was imposed at the Council?” For the Superior General, it is clear that we are not yet at this point. “And we see, at least in the authorized voices, shall we say, the leading voices, that they are saying, ‘No, no! No, we shall continue along the same lines.’”
So his attitude today is logical: “Until we have a clear enough answer, we cannot move forward.”
Bishop Fellay’s interview with TVLibertés with English subtitles, January 29, 2017
We publish below an extract of Bishop Fellay’s hour-long interview with Fr. Alain Lorans on Radio Courtoisie, January 26, 2017.
Fr. Alain Lorans: Speaking of letting the Society in, of course we can’t help thinking of the canonical offers that have been made; there was talk of a prelature and recently Bishop Schneider said he had invited you to accept the canonical propositions soon and not to be too demanding, or in any case, not to wait for everything to be perfect. Where does all this stand? Did you really receive this invitation? And in that case, would a doctrinal union become a secondary issue? What exactly is the Society’s position?
Bishop Fellay: As far as Bishop Schneider goes, he did write to me, but a long time ago now; a long time, I mean, perhaps a year ago. So I do not have anything recent from him. In any case, recently, no, I have not received anything from him.
Other than that, the structure is not the problem. The structure, I think, is well established; there are still some points, shall we say, some finer points. The main idea is, really, it is adequate, it suits our needs. So for that, I am satisfied. Again, there are details that need improving and matters that still need to be discussed. The problem is not with this structure that they are offering us. If that was the only issue, we would say “yes” in a heartbeat. But it is not the problem.
The problem is, once again, this battle of ideas. Is a Church that for forty years has imposed a way of thinking, this modernist way of thinking against which we fight, against which, or because of which we were even declared schismatic and everything else, outside of the Church; is this Church ready, yes or no, to let us continue on our path?
Archbishop Lefebvre used to speak of “letting us make the experiment of Tradition”. Are they going to let us, yes or no? Or are they waiting for us at a bend in the road, are they going to tell us tomorrow that we “have to fall into line”? To accept what we have been fighting against for forty years? That, we are not about to give up.
So it is all there, really; that is where the question lies. With these new, more open attitudes, when they tell us some things are not required criteria for being Catholic, there seems to be a path opening up. Now, is it just a door, or is it really a path? Is it a safe path? I mean, are we really going to be able to continue as we are? For us it is obvious that this is not the end.
Error remains error. So we remain today, just as before, just as convinced that there are errors that have been spread in the Church and that are killing the Church.
And of course, we understand that it takes time to purify and remove these errors, we understand. Men cannot be changed just like that; all sorts of bad habits have been acquired now; even just bringing back the holy liturgy. We understand very well that it cannot be done overnight. So if things take time, that is one thing, but is the intention even there? Is there any intention to leave this way of thinking that was imposed at the Council?
And we see, at least in the authorized voices, shall we say, the leading voices, that they are saying, “No, no. No, no, we shall continue along the same lines.” So we remain outlaws. Well, tolerated outlaws, and we might even say, in the most astonishing way, with Pope Francis we are more than tolerated, but we remain on the outskirts.
So are things going to stay as they are? Are things going to move ahead? Or tomorrow are we going to be swallowed up by this movement that, once again, is killing the Church? That is the question. And until we have a clear enough answer, we cannot move forward.
The full text of the conference will be available in the near future.
The Deus Ex Machina Blog 
The Vineyard of God (the Church) is devastated by none other, but the same Churchmen that Pope Francis has to convince that the Society of Saint Pius X, can be trusted. What a humility on the part of the good ‘shepherd’ of Jesus Christ, Bishop Fellay, always thinking of saving souls. They, the Churchmen (God knows them by name), are the movers and shakers of the massive loss of faith, massive Exodus from the holy Church, right into every stripe of man-made sects. Liturgical abominations, rejecting Holy Tradition, sodomy, but above all……massive loss of souls, and division amongst us Catholics, known only to God. “God Will Not Be Mocked!” Pope Francis, has enough Catholicism in him, to understand that his days are counted (as for all), and that the Merciful God will be his JUST JUDGE, so it was for each post-Vatican II pope. The SSPX is a reminder for these same Churchmen, and the pope, of what true Catholicism was yesterday, today, until the end of time. There’s no wonder and no mystery in this, all is clear as day, for those who have ‘eyes’ to see, and ‘ears’ to hear!
They, the Churchmen, especially, the silent, the cowards, who have in fear of ‘men’, rather then God, allowed the evil in the holy Church to reign!!! Is there a wonder, that they do not trust the SSPX, because they have to examine their own conscience, acknowledge the sin within, be reminded of the four last things; death, judgment, heaven and hell, which they have tried to suppress in their cowardice, lukewarmness, while promoting ‘universal salvation,’ deceiving legions, especially, themselves….Miserere!
By the grace of God, the faithful remnant are not blind, and storm Heaven with prayers, Holy Mass (not the Protestant Novus Ordo), sacrifices, penance and fasting, fighting the good fight armored with His Truth and His holy gifts. May God Have Mercy on His faithful. May His Mother, our Mother, hold still His Hand ….bring these men down to their knees to repent, or else.
God Willing, the SSPX by His grace, will do God’s Will, facing nothing less then the Roman Coliseum, for this is the mind and soul of these Churchmen, in the the Holy Church of Jesus Christ (for a little while, yet), that these ‘Churchmen’ because of SIN within, have created, truly unorthodox, anti-Catholic elements. Transforming the dogmatic Church of Christ into the democratic ‘church’ of man, where no thought is given to the integral sacredness of holy orthodoxy, to the venerable traditions of antiquity, to the teaching, and governing Magisterium, nor for that matter to the Sacred Heart Himself, whose wishes are conveyed to all men through His one Church. The primary thought is given to the whims, novelties and passions of the people. These so-called Churchmen (not all), Catholics in name only, who foolishly think that they have power…. maybe,…..but not from GOD!!!
Sancta Trinitas, unus Deus, miserere nobis!
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Bishop Fellay: “As far as Bishop Schneider goes, he did write to me, but a long time ago now; a long time, I mean, perhaps a year ago. So I do not have anything recent from him. In any case, recently, no, I have not received anything from him.”
S.A., thank you for having posted the above information as offered by Bishop Fellay. During the past few weeks, I had wondered as to when Bishop Schneider had urged Bishop Fellay not to “delay” in regularizing the SSPX’s canonical status within Holy Mother Church.
Bishop Schneider did not reveal via his recent interview as to when he had contacted Bishop Fellay.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
“…whoever is holy cannot dissent from the Pope.”
— Pope Saint Pius X, 1912 A.D.
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We need to pray and pray for His Holiness Pope Francis, whom Bishop Fellay has praised as a true spiritual father and friend to the SSPX. Bishop Fellay has denounced those who have claimed that the Vicar of Christ, Pope Francis, wishes to destroy the SSPX.
As Bishop Fellay has made clear, His Holiness Pope Francis has the SSPX’s best interests at heart. Bishop Fellay has great respect for Pope Francis’ holy treatment of the SSPX, which goes back years to Pope Francis’ days in Argentina.
As Bishop Fellay has noted, Pope Francis said that it would take time for him (Pope Francis) to convince Churchmen that the SSPX can be trusted. There are Cardinals and bishops who simply do not trust the SSPX.
Pope Francis needs our prayers so that he can change the hearts and minds of Churchmen who don’t trust the SSPX as said Churchmen believe that the SSPX is filled with unorthodox, anti-Catholic elements.
We also need to pray for Bishop Fellay as he faces resistance within the SSPX and, of course, from the SSPX Resistance. Bishop Fellay faces the same nonsense that Pope Francis faces daily.
That is, venom is spewed daily at our Holy Father, Pope Francis. He is misrepresented day after day as a dictatorial, vindictive modernist.
Bishop Fellay is also attacked daily by elements within the SSPX and the Resistance.
Bishop Fellay is portrayed as a dictatorial, vindictive modernist who is destroying the SSPX.
It has been claimed that Bishop Fellay has cracked the whip against SSPX priests who have dared to question his determination to work with Pope Francis to regularize the SSPX.
It is true that Bishop Fellay has kicked priests (and, of course, Bishop Williamson) out of the SSPX. But the priests whom Bishop Fellay has expelled from the SSPX are anti-Roman priests who possess an anti-Catholic mindset in that the priests refuse to submit to the Roman Pontiff.
Satan attacks Pope Francis daily via vicious stories that claim that the Holy Father is a heretic, leader of the “international left” (that is the Culture of Death), and determined to work with Bishop Fellay to destroy the SSPX.
Satan attacks Bishop Fellay daily via stories that he is a heretic, sellout, and determined to work with Pope Francis to destroy the SSPX.
The reality is that Pope Francis and Bishop Fellay are men of God. They are determined to work together to bring about lasting peace between Rome and the SSPX. That, in turn, would benefit Holy Mother Church.
Let us pray that God will protect Pope Francis and Bishop Fellay, two men of God, and true peacemakers, who perform God’s holy work — that is, to regularize the SSPX to benefit the Holy People of God.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
As Catholics in communion with and submission to His Holiness, Pope Francis, we can move forward with great confidence as the True Church teaches the following great Truth of God:
“In the Apostolic See the Catholic Religion has always been preserved immaculate.”
— From the First Vatican Ecumenical Council, which, in turn, quoted the ancient Formula (Creed) of Pope Saint Hormisdas, 529 A.D.
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Mark, nice words you said, nice for ears but there is little of facts that supports your line of thinking. You might be as well right it is not for me to judge Pope Francis or Bishop Fellay but I can judge facts. Not by my opinion but by Church’s teaching, and facts do not seem to confirm your words.
About SSPX recognition itself. I must admit that I’m looking into it but only by my own convenience. I wish SSPX to open chapel in my neighbourhood. I don’t wish to put them (SSPX) into position of Knights Of Malta thouhg. What will happen if Vatican will impose it’s supervisor to overlook society’s activity? Maybe that’s another way God use to shake us awake…
It seems to me that main goal of the whole deal with SSPX is to legitimize this papacy (with possibility of turning them as a bonus). After next big move (re-reform of liturgy?) voices of invalid resignation of Pope Benedict VI may rise. In that case having SSPX in, connected somehow, will be huge advantage.
We have to increase prayers for Pope, Bishops and whole Catholic Church and do penance. We may have opinions, even very strong ones jet don’t let be overwhelmed by them. Advice from ks. Karol Stehlin (thanks S. Armaticus for posting it) is very sound.
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Marek, speaking of facts…here are facts.
— The SSPX is Catholic.
— The SSPX recognizes His Holiness Pope Francis as the Pope of the True Church.
— During each Mass that they offer, the SSPX commemorates Pope Francis as the Church’s orthodox chief teacher of the True Faith.
Do you disagree with any or all of the above?
Thank you.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
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Mark, what you said is true but it is not all that’s to it.
I think we both know it, and I will not engage in word game. If you take position that Pope has absolute power in everything you have no choice but became sedevacantist. SSPX did find proper way to deal with situation, as it was mentioned on this blog; if they make a deal they put themselves (and Church) in binary position, so to say: they stand for what they were standing all along and it expose what is going on in Church to the point that people will have no way but make the decision or they (SSPX) will go along and loose many. I will be also _big_ test for papacy.
We have to learn our faith well, pray a lot more, do much, much more penance.
I ask you to find read prophecy of St. Francis of Assisi and then find prayer of Bl. Fr. Louis Cestac – “August Queen Prayer” and use it, this just wont hurt anybody (almost :).
God bless
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Mark Thomas, you treat Bishop Fellay as novus ordo folk treat “St John Paul the Great” – above criticism, wholly justified in his actions, etc. He himself has changed over the years and repeats today what he kicked out priests in the past for saying. There is no room for any dissent. Do you think that dozens of former SSPX priests, traditional Dominicans, and thousands of faithful across the world are just deluded when it comes to the Bishop? They see it! The liberal priests (Fr Pfleuger, Fr Simoulin, Fr. Nely, etc) just bided their time in the 90s, now they want a deal at all costs and have purged the Society of ‘conspiracy theorists’ and other hardliners. Get to reading, good sir, and realize the Society has grown weak. The Conciliar Church will be getting a claw-less kitty cat if the Society is “regularized” https://psalm129.wordpress.com/2016/11/21/history-repeats-itself/
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Petrus Romanus,
The SSPX is a society of Catholic — Catholic — priests. The SSPX recognizes Pope Francis as the Vicar of Christ.
During each Mass offered by the SSPX, the priest prays the Roman Canon. The Roman Canon commemorates Pope Francis as the True Church’s teacher of orthodoxy.
The SSPX recognizes Pope Francis as the True Church’s Pope who has the God-given authority to teach, govern, and sanctify the Holy People of God.
Therefore, as the SSPX is Catholic and in communion with His Holiness Pope Francis, Bishop Fellay has every right and reason to purge the SSPX of priests who do not submit to the Roman Pontiff, Pope Francis.
Upon the SSPX’s regularization, additional priests (as well as laymen attached to SSPX chapels) will weed themselves from the Society as they will leave the SSPX.
They will refuse to submit to Pope Francis as Holy Mother Church commands of them.
They will ease one of Bishop Fellay’s tasks. That is, anti-Catholics within the SSPX will remove themselves from the Society. The SSPX will then move forward with Catholics within its midst…Catholics who recognize and submit to the Holy Father.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Bishop Fellay has a Catholic heart and mind. He realizes that the SSPX must obtain regularization from the ancient
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‘National Enquirer’, this is what Canon 212 has become + (fearing no God!)…..for the glory of the enemy, of Jesus Christ and His Church!
@Armaticus: ‘ Or tomorrow are we going to be swallowed up by this movement that, once again, is killing the Church? ‘
‘This movement’ is just a ‘movement’……and that shall pass, as it did in every age. The faithful ‘remnant’ always carry ‘her’ torch in faith, for the love of God, and His Church, which He purchased with His own Blood. We are the generation that is full of desires for ‘paradise’ on this earth, ready to settle for false peace. We are the generation that wants a ‘free ticket’ to Heaven, without sacrifice, without penance, without holy perseverance, without holy hope, without suffering for Him, Who suffered for us!…… putting our hopes in CAESAR!!!……AVE MARIA!!!
To believe is not all (even the devil believes, and trembles), we must trust God, completely without doubt!
The Society of Saint Pius X has very deep roots in fearless+++faith (fearing God only), holy perseverance in persecution, faithful soldiers of Jesus Christ, who have been in’ the mouth of the wolves’ more then once, but not swallowed……Thanks Be To God! Bishop Fellay is the ‘good shepherd’ who loves God, and His sheep. If it’s God’s Will they will walk into the ‘Coliseum’, not to be conquered, but as CONQUERORS for JESUS CHRIST, and HIS TRUTH!, in humility, with the Shield and Sword of Saint Michael the Glorious Archangel, strengthened with the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, as true servants of God receive, in true joy (that comes only from God), carrying the ‘cross.’ Where the ‘remnant’ faithful are awaiting their entrance, ‘FOR WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE!’
THY CHURCH, O CHRIST, IS A STRONG CITY BUILT ON A MOUNTAIN, VISIBLE TO ALL AND ENLIGHTENING ALL. THOU ART HER FOUNDER AND FOREMOST CITIZEN, O JESUS CHRIST, SON OF GOD AND OUR LORD!
(from an ancient Liturgy).
Our Lady of Fatima, pray for Catholics especially, lest many will perish, as of the old time many have, from the ‘chosen people’ of the Old Testament!
Cor Iesu Sacratissimum, miserere nobis!
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I no longer trust Canon212 because they blasted the sensationist headline NIGHTMARE! SSPX blah blah blah but then they buried the TRUTH of Bishop Fellay’s ever unchanging stance in a sub article way down in the leghand column. Cowardly fake news reporting
And you, Petrus Romanus ate a lying, braying jackass.💩
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I guess all of this means that SSPX is not ready to accept the Vatican’s deal. Let is hope and pray that SSPX stands firm. Perhaps we will see a divine intervention that will help the Vatican to see the error of it’s ways.
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I wrote a post recently about the SSPX “punching above their weight”. It is amazing that a small Fraternity of Priests can get this kind coverage and focus in the mainline Catholic world.
You know that this is so just because the forces of Good are on their side.
OMT, I love this passage:
“The problem is, once again, this battle of ideas. Is a Church that for forty years has imposed a way of thinking, this modernist way of thinking against which we fight, against which, or because of which we were even declared schismatic and everything else, outside of the Church; is this Church ready, yes or no, to let us continue on our path?”
Yes, yes, yes. The problem is of a philosophical nature. And it is just this point that people like Stefan Molyneux and others on the secular side are pointing out.
It is a return to Natural Law and Natural Moral Law that is needed, otherwise the entire Civilization will fall.
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The Society today is run by liberals who are a shadow of the SSPX of old https://psalm129.wordpress.com
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