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THIS IS HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CONTEXT: The Vatican is not a political organization. The “first past the post” system is meaningless. The manner in which the Roman Pontiff rules over the Universal Church is through his unity with the Catholic Bishops. If there is no unity, there is no pontificate. It’s that simple.
In other words, the Roman Pontiff loses his authority to teach definitively if one or more of the Bishops (Cardinals included) do not accept his teaching.
If one Bishop dissents, then he could be excommunicated.
If more than one Bishop dissents, then there is a schism.
In the above two instances, the only manner in which to avoid either excommunication or schism is:
Roman Pontiff corrects his error,
Roman Pontiff is removed.
This is what is called a “opposite binary” situation.
And there is a PROCESS in place to do just this!
Folks, we are at the end game of the Francis Pontificate.
The only question now is this: will Francis’ German money men (German Bishops’ Conference with their control over the notorious KIRCHENSTEUER) go through with the schism that they have been threatening the Catholic Bishops with over the last 50 years, or not?
Cardinal Burke just called their bluff!
And they are trapped like rats.
Cardinal Raymond Burke : A Pope who commits formal heresy ‘would cease, by that act, to be the Pope’ (see here)
December 21, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) – In a new interview, Cardinal Burke said he is not accusing Pope Francis of “heresy” by submitting the five dubia for him to answer. He also explained that if a pope were to “formally profess heresy he would cease, by that act, to be the Pope” and that there is a process within the Church for dealing with such a situation.
“The faithful and priests and bishops have the right to have these questions answered,” he said of the dubia. “It was our duty as cardinals, when the Pope made it clear that he would not respond to them, to make them public so that the priests and the lay faithful who had these same doubts might know that their doubts are legitimate and that they deserve a response.”
It “could happen” that a pope would formally profess heresy, but “I hope we won’t be witnessing that at any time soon,” Burke told Catholic World Report (CWR).
“There is already in place the discipline to be followed when the Pope ceases from his office, even as happened when Pope Benedict XVI abdicated his office,” said Burke. “The Church continued to be governed in the interim between the effective date of his abdication and the inauguration of the papal ministry of Pope Francis.”
Members of the College of Cardinals would have to be the ones to declare the pope in heresy, Burke said. He also said there is precedent for cardinals rebuking a pope. Burke has said that if Pope Francis doesn’t respond to the dubia, cardinals could also formally correct him in the way that Pope John XXII was corrected in the Middle Ages when he taught errant notions about the beatific vision.
The cardinal also explained he and his peers want the pope to clarify whether Amoris Laetitia aligns with Catholic moral teaching precisely because they are loyal to him and care about him, not because they are his “enemies” or dissenters as some critics and even other prelates have suggested.
“How can you be in heresy by asking honest questions?” asked Burke. “It’s just irrational to accuse us of heresy. We’re asking fundamental questions based upon the constant tradition of the Church’s moral teaching. So I don’t think there’s any question that by doing that we’ve done something heretical.”
“I am a Cardinal of the Church, and one of the Pope’s principal co-workers,” said Burke. “I have absolute respect for the Petrine office. If I didn’t care about him and his exercise of the Petrine office, I would just remain silent and let everything go as it is. But because in conscience I believe he has an obligation to clarify these matters for the Church, I made it known to him, not just on this occasion, but on other occasions. The publication of the dubia was done with complete respect for his office. I am not the enemy of the Pope.”
Burke stressed that he is “not saying that Pope Francis is in heresy.”
“I have never said that,” he told CWR. “Neither have I stated that he is close to being in heresy.”
Canonist Dr. Ed Peters recently outlined on his blog how ecclesiastical law treats the question of a pope believing or promoting heresy. According to Peters’ analysis, the Catholic canonical tradition firmly supports Cardinal Burke’s remarks.
Peters finds the canonical tradition expressed by Franz Wernz — a famed canonist who was elected as the Superior General of the Jesuit order in 1906 — who considered the impact of personal heresy on the part of a pope in his work Ius Canonicum.
After laying out various positions dealing with a heretical pope and showing their deficiencies, Wernz speculates that while no one on earth can remove power from a pope since there is no higher office than “Roman Pontiff” that is capable of passing such judgment, nevertheless, a general council could determine that a pope had committed heresy, and in doing so, had effectually cut himself off from the true vine, thereby forfeiting his office.
Wernz wrote in his work published posthumously in 1928: “In sum, it needs to be said clearly that a [publicly] heretical Roman Pontiff loses his power upon the very fact. Meanwhile a declaratory criminal sentence, although it is merely declaratory, should not be disregarded, for it brings it about, not that a pope is ‘judged’ to be a heretic, but rather, that he is shown to have been found heretical, that is, a general council declares the fact of the crime by which a pope has separated himself from the Church and has lost his rank.”
After this quote, Dr. Peters comments: “I know of no author coming after Wernz who disputes this analysis.”
It would be “impossible” and “unthinkable” for a pope to “commit the Church to heresy,” Peters wrote, because the Holy Spirit provides “protection” against this.
Canon law defines heresy as “the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth that must be believed by divine and catholic faith,” and “canonical tradition yet recognizes (and history suggests) that a given pope could fall into personal heresy and that he might even promote such heresy publicly,” Peters explained. “In sum…however remote is the possibility of a pope actually falling into heresy and however difficult it might be to determine whether a pope has so fallen, such a catastrophe, Deus vetet, would result in the loss of papal office.”
Read Cardinal Burke’s full interview with CWR here.
orateur said:
I’m having trouble following your reasoning: “the Roman Pontiff loses his authority to teach definitively if one or more of the Bishops (Cardinals included) do not accept his teaching.”
Isn’t that what was happening for decades prior to Francis, liberal bishops not accepting the pontiff’s teaching (e.g. Humanae Vitae)? Here in Canada, there is even the infamous Winnipeg Statement where the episcopal conference formally repudiated Humanae Vitae.
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S. Armaticus said:
I meant this in a formal sense. As to the hidden apostasy, no one is doubting that.
What has changed though, is that the recent moves have ripped the veneer of unity from post-conciliar church. Remember, it is the pope with the bishops that teaches definitively. If one bishop formally says that he will not teach that which the pope teaches, there is a formal schism.
Here is the definition:
formal division in or separation from a church or religious bodyb : the offense of promoting schism
To be honest, it took me a while to get used to this idea. But if you think that the doctrine cannot change just like 2+2 cannot be equal to anything but 4 everywhere and always, you will begin to understand what is actually at stake.
Aside, we Americans are used to a protestant mindset that takes as normal the different interpretations of their resulting pseudo-doctrines. But his is not normal. There can only be one true doctrine. and that can’t change. Any member that separates himself from that doctrine, be it a layman or a pope, excommunicates himself by that act.
And it is this definitive act of separation that the 4 cardinals placed in front of Francis.
And once they correct him, it is game, set, match.
Regardless of whether he protests or not, whether he leaves or not, history must judge him to be a formal heretic.
Like Card. Burke said, it’s a process. And the process has begun.
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Philip Johnson said:
Mark,In your mind is it ok for an adulterer to receive The Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ in Holy Communion without recourse to The Sacrament of Confession?Is the persons conscience the sole directive in this regard.?Throughout the History of The Church this has never been so!Francis will prove himself a Heretic if he says that an adulterer can receive Holy Communion in a state of Mortal Sin.Simple isn’t it?
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Mark Thomas said:
Phillip, as a Catholic, I will accept that which the Apostolic See determines in regard to the issue at hand. God has not invested the Four Cardinals, or Ten Cardinals, or Twenty-five Cardinals with supreme power to teach, govern, and sanctify the True Church.
God has invested His Holiness Pope Francis with that awesome power.
It is the faith of the True Church that “in the Apostolic See the Catholic Religion has always been preserved immaculate.” (From the Formula of Pope Saint Hormisdas, 529 A.D.)
God has assured us that as long as we remain attached to His Roman Pontiff, Pope Francis, we will never fall into schism/heresy.
Simple, isn’t it?
Pax.
Mark Thomas
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Mark Thomas said:
I agree with Cardinal Burke in that it’s irrational to declare “heretical” those associated with the dubia. The Four Cardinals are free to submit questions to the Roman Pontiff.
In turn, as God has granted to His Holiness Pope Francis supreme authority to govern the Catholic Church, Pope Francis is free to determine whether to respond to the dubia.
I appreciate Cardinal Burke’s declaration that he never said that “Pope Francis is in heresy. I have never said that. Neither have I stated that he is close to being in heresy.”
That declaration from Cardinal Burke has destroyed the narrative that the Four Cardinals trapped Pope Francis in heresy…that Pope Francis doesn’t have anywhere to turn as the Four Cardinals have cornered him and, effectively, ended Pope Francis’ Pontificate.
As Cardinal Burke made clear, in regard to the dubia, there isn’t any suggestion, not remotely, that there is heresy involved in regard to Pope Francis/Amoris Laetitia.
Cardinal Burke’s declaration that he holds that Pope Francis is not even “close to being in heresy” has rendered pointless the notion that a showdown between Pope Francis and the Four Cardinals was on the horizon.
The reality is that by having declared that he doesn’t associate heresy (not even “close”) with Pope Francis, Cardinal Burke has rendered toothless the supposed “correction” that the Four Cardinals may concoct.
All the talk that the Four Cardinals would “correct” Pope Francis was always hollow. Now, Cardinal Burke’s declaration that he doesn’t link Pope Francis to heresy has confirmed the fact that the “correct” was much ado about nothing.
There won’t be any Church-shaking “showdown” between Pope Francis and the Four Cardinals as the Four Cardinals have, via Cardinal Burke’s declarations in question, revealed the following reality:
The dubia and threat to “correct” Pope Francis lack fangs and claws.
Now, let us hope that the Church moves quickly away from the empty dubia-related “controversy” as that “controversy” has just fizzled. Let us live and work in peace with each other to advance the Gospel.
Pope Francis’ Pontificate is not even close to being shutdown by the Four Cardinals.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
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Johnny Midnyte said:
Perhaps his pontificate is close to being shutdown by God, n’est-ce pas? JPII always said the Church must breathe with both lungs. Ironic then that we have a pope with only one. God might be trying to tell us something, metaphorically speaking.
Pax.
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S. Armaticus said:
It is definitely the work of God.
I find it ironic that Francis is being shut down to a large part by the faulty design of the post-conciliar fallacious logic itself. He and his cohorts can’t get around the laws of non-contradiction and the excluded middle.
Really basic stuff.
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