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So today we will speak about structures.
As we wrote a couple of days back (see here), STRUCTURES are very important. Below is a fragment from a discussion between Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Stanley McChrystal, a former US Army general.
To place this fragment into CONTEXT is to note that the retired General has “leftist leanings” which were exhibited in the Rolling Stones article that was the root cause of the earlier alluded to dismissal. Now we find out that he most likely obtained his “political leanings” from his mother who was a leftist. So having a “left leaning” individual, like General McChrystal speaking about the NECCESITY of STRUCTURES definitely is NEWS in and of itself.
Given the above CONTEXT, here is the Dr. Peterson part of the exchange.
Ok, so that’s… that’s real interesting to me because one of the things I learned when I was reading Friedrich Nietzsche in particular, he was a great critic of Christianity but also a great admirer of the Catholic Church.
And one of the things he said about Catholicism was that over the centuries of its unfolding, that it required all of its practitioners to adopt a particular disciplined ethos and to explain the world within the confines of a single coherent system, and then also to act that out.
And so Nietzsche was also interested in the development of, let’s call it “full individuality”. But he also knew that the pathway to individuality was through the rigors of a disciplinary structure.
Therefore, from the above passage, what is of importance to understand is that the Catholic Church had in place “over the centuries of its unfolding” a STRUCTURE in place which was based on “a particular disciplined ethos”, which allowed to “explain the world within the confines of a single coherent system” and then mandated that those practitioners “act that out”.
Now for those new to this blog, that “disciplined” and “coherent” STRUCTURE which these distinguished gentlemen were referring to is what is known as THOMISM.
And just to remind all the new readers, THOMISM (see here) has been out of favor with the Modernists since… at least the times of Pope St. Pius X. In a seminal essay by Dr. John Lamont, the short explanation of the post-conciliar church’s problem with THOMISM is laid out as follows:
Another article of the postconciliar creed has to do with the character of the Thomism that was promoted by popes from Leo XIII to Pius XII. The substantive accusations made against this Thomism are that it unjustifiably limited theology to a particular philosophical system, that theology was forced to conform to it, and that it was not the true thought of St. Thomas. These claims play a subordinate role in the criticism of preconciliar Thomism, whose main thrust lies in accusations that Thomism was ‘abstract’, ‘rationalist’, ‘ahistorical’, ‘arid’, ‘frozen’, ‘immobile’, ‘obsessed’, ‘encouraging pure secularity’, ‘sclerotically hardened and furred theologically, spiritually and ecclesially’, ‘causing a rupture between theology and life’, a ‘wax mask’, a ‘straightjacket’ that ‘reduced theological speculation to sterility’. The essence of this villainous form of Thomism is supposed to be given by the 24 Thomistic theses developed by leading scholars and endorsed by the Sacred Congregation of Studies in 1914, as containing the principles and main pronouncements of St. Thomas’s philosophy.3
But in reality, the OBJECTIVE kind, this was in fact the case:
The substantive accusations against Thomism are easily dismissed. The allegation that Thomism was imposed on preconciliar theology is without foundation, as can easily be seen by looking at the official texts that deal with it. All these texts are concerned with the teaching of philosophy and theology in educational institutions. Leo XIII and subsequent popes had decided that it was essential that the clergy be given a sound philosophical formation, and that the best philosophy for them to be formed in was Thomism. In order to achieve that end, they ruled that philosophical formation in seminaries and Catholic universities should be Thomistic in nature. This made it necessary to give some definition of what Thomism consisted in, and the 24 Thomistic theses were promulgated to meet this need.
Without belaboring this point, but to finish Lamont’s summary, here is how the suppression of THOMISM worked out for the post-conciliar church:
The key to the neomodernist capture of power is however also the reason for their failure to sustain a religious culture. Neomodernism is not like Protestantism, which contains ideas with a positive content as well as being a rejection of Catholicism. These ideas – justification by faith, and the like – are not correct, but they say something substantial, and have an appeal that can give rise to an important movement. Neomodernism, however, on a religious level is a purely negative thesis. As a result it has no attractive force of its own, and ecclesiastical structures that fall into its grip eventually die away – a process now visible all over the world.
And here is why post-Modernism is disintegrating and why it is only a question of time until it die away:
This is one thing that on the natural level permitted the survival of Thomism, despite the drastic measures taken to uproot it from the Church; unlike neomodernism, it has something positive and substantial to say. Moreover, what it has to say is actually true. This is in no way a guarantee of broad success, but it ensures the continued existence of Thomism in the small constituency of good scholars who are concerned with the truth and in a position to discover it. Whether it will expand much beyond this constituency in the future is unknown, but there is no doubt that its future shows more promise than that of neomodernism.
So where does this above information leave us?
Well, it would appear that in fact, “NATURAL PHILOSOPHICAL STRUCTURES”, like Thomism are making a big comeback. In the video above, Dr. Steven Turley identifies just this aspect as the basis for the OBSERVATION that young Polish voters are voting for conservative parties.
Dr. Turley also notices that this same PHENOMENON is the basis behind the return of the Traditional Latin Mass among young Catholics.
And just to finish off this post, here is a passage from the Wikipedia entry as to the future prospects of Natural Philosophy:
Especially since the mid-20th-century European crisis, some thinkers argued the importance of looking at nature from a broad philosophical perspective, rather than what they considered a narrowly positivist approach relying implicitly on a hidden, unexamined philosophy. One line of thought grows from the Aristotelian tradition, especially as developed by Thomas Aquinas.
Concluding, what we Faithful Catholics are witnessing is nothing short of a Restoration of Catholicism that is not just liturgical in nature, but theological in nature as well. This Restoration is also not just limited to the ecclesiastical sub-set of the Visibilium Omnium, et Invisibilium.
One can say that what we are in fact witnessing is the disintegration of the “Enlightenment fallacy” that that which is not proved by the scientific method, does not exist.
What we as a civilization are beginning to understand at present is that the scientific method is only a tool to understand the greater REALITY. This REALITY in turn is OBJECTIVE in nature, therefore can be studied with OBJECTIVE tools, one of which is the scientific method.
Yet the scientific method does not constitute an end in itself. It can only be considered to be a means to an end. And a limited means at that. What the scientific method CANNOT do is provide VALUES nor MEANING nor even a comprehensive STRUCUTRE to understand the greater OBJECTIVE REALITY of human existence.
For that, philosophy is needed. And the reason philosophy is needed is that it provides STRUCTURES in which individual’s live and in which they function. These STRUCTURES are needed above all in the theological domain, if what we believe is to be COHERENT, i.e. taken seriously. And it is a return to STRUCTURES that Western Civilization and above all, the post-conciliar church desperately need in order to stop the disintegration that we are observing at the moment.
What one can in fact conclude from the above material is that for the post-conciliar church and Western Civilization in which it subsists, Thomism with its embedded STRUCTURES, is just what the doctor ordered.
brotherbeowulf said:
A return to Thomism and sanity entails a return to truth. Thus some readers’ appreciation of Card. Müller. We need more, however.
Viganò and his fourth missile, or missive, comes close to what is needed. Hard cold truth.
Viganò unmasks the hypocrisy of Antipope Francis as the chief of the Homosexual Network Strangling the Church—this is something that Cardinal Müller durst not say. Nor does Müller or anyone else dare call out Francis for the fraud he manifestly is and has been for the past six years.
Nor does any Cardinal or ranking prelate dare point out the sheer nonsense of Francis. I can think of a half dozen examples of sheer nonsensical utterances of Francis off the top of my head. I don’t know whether they play better as heresy or as farce. I’ll let you decide.
0. There is no Hell. (Scalfari interview last Holy Thursday.)
0. The Soul is not immortal—because as there is no Hell, while good souls go to Heaven bad souls are forever extinguished. (Ditto.)
0. Christ became the devil for us. (Homily at Casa Santa Marta on it around April 4, 2016 on Vatican website.)
0. God made homosexuals that way. (Perfectly in line with the infamous “Who am I to judge?” comment on notorious faggot Monsignor Batista Ricca.) (Infamous interviews off the Francis cuff.)
0. The Blessed Virgin “must have called the Angel Gabriel ‘Liar’ from the foot of the Cross.” (Casa Santa Marta homily.)
0. “Saints are not born” that way they are made, speaking again of the Blessed Virgin Mary (on this past Feast of the Immaculate Conception). This statement implies a clear denial of the Immaculate Conception, since 1854 the defined infallible teaching of Holy Mother Church.
We need not consider the rampant nonsense (7-12) throughout Amoralis Laetitia, an attack plenary on all the Sacraments especially marriage (Holy Matrimony), Penance, and the priesthood (Holy Orders). Although I will point out the chief heresy of Amoralis Laetitia because it is seldom mentioned: the very Lutheran—Uber-Lutheran you might say—denial of Sanctifying Grace. Francis goes Luther one better—Faith in Christ is no longer required from the putative pope.
So when a Catholic prelate gets around to calling out Antipope Francis on the sheer nonsense he spouts especially when it coincides with heresy, let me know. Until then you may enjoy the so-called Müller HomeRuns but they’re feeble swings far short of the bleachers.
And it’s two outs, bottom of the ninth.
I’d like to see Viganò, Sarah or Zen in the on-deck circle. At least someone—take a swing!
But we have no Mighty Casey.
It’s Fatima or Francis. The betrayal of Thomism is far too complete in the Church today.
“Rejoice, O Virgin Mary, thou alone hast destroyed all heresies throughout the world!”
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Michael Dowd said:
Excellent Brotherbeowulf. The current mess in the Church will not be fixed. It must be sidestepped. We may see at the next conclave a breakaway group of Cardinals, maybe a dozen of so, who elect an alt.-Pope. This alt group would reject Vatican II entirely. Helping to get this alt-CC off the ground might be the Russian Orthodox Church with the encouragement of Putin. Politically it would be a good move for him. I would regard this scenario as divine intervention. We are living in a very dangerous time in so many ways. Let us pray for prudence and good judgement. Enough for now. Other scenarios welcome.
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Miron said:
The last papal decisions of Joseph Raztinger’s led to the transformation of the Saint Peter’s Office into a synodal two-headed hybrid. Actually he dissolved – by virtue of power given to him [Matt 16, 19] by Jesus Christ – the same office [effectively Feb. 28, 2013 at 8 p.m. CET], so no he may already be a Roman pope neither himself nor anyone else. The dissolution of the papacy does not mean that the gates of hell have overcome the Church [Matt 16, 18]. The Church will be reborn with the power of God as it was when the Mosaic religion degenerated into the form of the synagogue of Satan and Our Lord Jesus Christ appeared to breathe new life into the Church of God and raise it to a higher level thrugh the Holy Sacraments.
By the act of Feb. 11, 2013, Benedict16 released the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. These Keys are the Apocalyptic Woman and the Paraclete; only now the Church will shine on the whole earth with full splendor.
The end of the papacy in Rome is precisely described in the Prophecy of Saint Malachi (+ 1148), archbishop of Armagh:
‘Gloria Olivae’ – Benedict 16; the glory/finial of the Roman Catholic church are two olive trees [Rev. 11, 4], which will blossom only now at the end of times – the Paraclete and the Woman of the Revelation.
‘In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit’ – this is the phenomenon of Jorge Bergoglio, the destroyer of the Roman Catholic church. Bergoglio, aside from the BXVI’s dissolution of the papacy, as an apostate, could not be the vicar of Jesus Christ, and therefore Saint Malachi does not name his name among the Pontifex but only characterizes the effects of his actions.
‘Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis civitas septicollis diruetur & Iudex tremendus iudicabit populum suum. Finis.;
Saint Peter the Apostle was not a Roman (citizen of Rome). Peter the Roman is the Son of a Roman Catholic church (means a Roman) and is identical to a terrible Judge, the same as the Paraclete.
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Michael Dowd said:
Miron. You make it sound like the final end times are now here.
I have never heard such an interpretation of Pope Benedict’s actions regarding the papacy. I didn’t think Popes had the authority to eliminate the office of Pope.
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halina1954 said:
There’s no going around this……for the good of saving souls.
I have shared this ‘interpretation’, because it did not smell right, with a ‘soldier of Jesus Christ, here’s his reply:
….Yes, I’ve heard this, and many other interpretations of such brainless nonsense. Pardon my bluntness, but we seem to be bombarded today with such stupidity from highly respected sources (but undeserving of our respect).
It usually comes from traditional Catholics and/or sedevacantists (borderline schismatics) who have become bored with the true faith and the fight for the true faith. They always have to be inventing new theories that only the blind will accept. They are always sensationalizing the spiritual combat, exaggerating the truth, undermining it, and leading scores of unthinking traditional Catholics astray. Worse yet, such sophists who pretend to be Catholic, and are considered very prominent voices of traditional Catholicism, keep otherwise good souls from becoming – as God intended us all to become – SOLDIERS of Christ, fighting the COMBATS of Christ as the Popes, the Magisterium, the Blessed Mother and saints such as Abp Lefebvre and Fr Gruner directed us to fight, instead of chasing after these pied pipers of disinformation and diabolic disorientation.
The person writing this piece is obviously a sedevacantist and that alone should tell us that he/she has ZERO credibility with sound-thinking and pure-hearted Catholics……
Jesus Maria Joseph I love Thee, save souls!
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halina1954 said:
The Destruction of Nations and Empire
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halina1954 said:
The enemies of Jesus Christ, and His Holy Church, have their ‘day’,
God has His Hour!
Laudetur Iesus Christus et Maria semper Virgo!
Viva Catolicismo, Domine!
VATICAN REVOLUTION: Diocesan Priest’s Had Enough
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halina1954 said:
PROTEST IN WARSAW AT THE ISRAELI EMBASSY! (today)
Enough accusations…… against the implementation of unlawful Jewish claims against Poland…….
A request to sign the petition, written as such: “On the night of 24/25 April 2018, the Law 447, also known as the “JUST” Act, was voted in the US House of Representatives.
This document grants the US Department of State the right to assist international organizations associating victims of the Holocaust and, most importantly, to help them through diplomatic channels in the recovery of Jewish assets without a claim. The draft of this law from the very beginning is opposed by representatives of the American Polonia in the USA. Despite their opposition, the Polish State did not support their actions.
This law can be used to drain Poland and Poles by Jewish organizations. This is a precedent in the scale of the “Western legal system” in which powers have been granted to a specific ethnic group (Jews are widely regarded as victims of the Holocaust) to recover property without the required right of heredity.
The authorities of the Republic of Poland in our assessment do not respond adequately to the threat, and even conduct a policy of submissive and internal needs minimize the risk of paying gigantic claims. This, in consequence, may cause a huge impoverishment of the Polish nation.
We demand that we take firm actions in protecting the Polish raison d’eta”
MEDIA NARODOWE (National Media)……are mostly Catholics (many ‘trads’)
Two days ago: “Netanyahu attacked Poles in Warsaw, where he came to a Middle East conference organized by the Polish government (not really, rather, they were told to do it……my emphasis). The Israeli media gave shocking words. You can read them on the website of “The Jerusalem Post”, which gave them with the label “breaking news”.
– Poles as a nation collaborated with the Nazis and I do not know anyone who has ever been tried for saying this – they quote the Israeli media of the prime minister of their country. There are many indications that the Prime Minister referred to the recent dispute between Poland and Israel about the IPN law penalizing the term “Polish death camps”. Netanyahu fought this record, claiming that he would limit … freedom of speech.
Our Lady of Częstochowa, pray for the faithful and courageous people of Poland!
“We are just waking up to the old historical truth that the loss of God is the beginning of tyranny.” Archbp., Fulton Sheen
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S. Armaticus said:
Hi Halina:
After watching Poland for the last few years, I found that that people and organizations aren’t always what they appear to be.
A good case in point is the recent funeral of PM Jan Olszewski. At the funeral, only the real anti-Communist opposition was present. That part of the anti-communist opposition that was “controlled” (Walesa, KPN, Tusk-land, Michnik-land) boycotted. Now these “controlled” opposition people were the same people who PM Olszewski helped (he was a fearless lawyer during the Communist era) during Communist’s war on Poland in the 1980’s.
Gratitude, yea…
Regarding the above, I personally like Nietzsche’s observation that if you want to know the person’s real intent/actions, look at what they do and not what they say. Actions speak louder than words is how we term this same occurrence.
S.A.
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halina1954 said:
….I personally like Nietzsche’s observation that if you want to know the person’s real intent/actions, look at what they do and not what they say…..
In a ‘nut shell’……… the mentally, and physically (his homosexuality was widely known), disturbed Nietzsche……educated (with legions) beyond his intelligence,
+ God is dead.
There are days when a feeling that is blacker than the darkest melancholy haunts me – the contempt of people.
We repulse the Church, not the poison … Apart from the Church, we like poison …
In his son, he becomes convinced what was still a lie in his father.
It is terrible to die in the sea of thirst. Do you have to overdo your truth so that it does not quench your thirst any more?
He condemned institutionalized Christianity for emphasizing a morality of pity (Mitleid), which assumes an inherent illness in society:
Christianity is called the religion of pity. Pity stands opposed to the tonic emotions which heighten our vitality: it has a depressing effect. We are deprived of strength when we feel pity. That loss of strength which suffering as such inflicts on life is still further increased and multiplied by pity. Pity makes suffering contagious.
Nietzsche felt that modern antisemitism was “despicable” and against European ideals. Its cause, in his opinion, was the growth in European nationalism and the endemic “jealousy and hatred” of Jewish success.
He wrote that Jews should be thanked for helping uphold a respect for the philosophies of ancient Greece, and for giving rise to “the noblest human being (Christ), the purest philosopher (Baruch Spinoza), the mightiest book, and the most effective moral code in the world.”
While Nietzsche attacked the principles of Judaism, he was not antisemitic: in his work On the Genealogy of Morality, he explicitly condemns antisemitism, and points out that his attack on Judaism was not an attack on contemporary Jewish people but specifically an attack upon the ancient Jewish priesthood whom he claims antisemitic Christians paradoxically based their views upon.
The fate of Christianity lies in necessity, that his faith must have become so sick, low and vulgar, as sick, low and vulgar were the needs that were to be satisfied.
It does not separate us from the fact that we do not find God in history, in nature or outside nature – but that what we worshiped as God is not “divine”, but as pity, as absurd, as harmful, not as only as a mistake, but as a crime against life …
From now on all matters of life are so arranged that the priest is everywhere indispensable; in all natural life events, at birth, marriage, sickness, death, not to mention the sacrifice (“supper”), a holy parasite appears to pervert it: in his language, “sanctify”
Paul was the greatest of the vengeful apostles …
“The truth is here”: that is, wherever it is said that the priest is lying …
He took the best atheism wit from me, which I could say: “the only justification of God is that it does not exist.”
An anarchist and a Christian are of one origin.
The Christian is only a Jew of a “slower” confession.
Christianity, until now, was the greatest misfortune of humanity.
Christianity, alcohol – two great means of corruption …
Christianity is the rebellion of everything that crawls on earth, against what is high.
Christianity deprived us of the harvest of ancient culture, then again deprived us of the harvest of Islamic culture.
What used to be only sick, has become indecent today – indecency is to be a Christian today.
What is happiness? – The feeling that power is growing, that resistance is overcoming.
If Islam despises Christianity, it has a thousand-fold right to it: Islam has men as an assumption.
Woman is the second mistake of God.
Beast (with hair) blond.
Are you going to women? Do not forget the whip!
Man is something that should be defeated.
“On Truth and Lies in a Non-moral Sense” is one of the works most responsible for Nietzsche’s reputation (albeit a contentious one) as “the godfather of postmodernism.”
“Such is the spirit of modern philosophy…….divinization of man and humanization of God.” Fulton Sheen
The time will soon come when a ‘modern philosophers, and theologians’ will return to a ‘common sense’. The depravity of ‘common sense’ is a result of the stupidity and lethargy of nations and society…..humanity groans, the earth and nature groans, above all, the Holy Church is in continuous ‘passion.’
Miserere Domine, miserere!
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halina1954 said:
The question is whether Jan Olszewski wanted to build Poland for the Poles or for the new world order. It is said and believed by many, that he was a freemason.
When President Trump gave his famous speech in Poland, he praised the so-called Polish heroes, known and respected in this country, who were none other but ‘freemasons.’
Armaticus, I understand why you have no choice, but to defend ‘PIS’, that obviously is not serving the Polish people. In charity I plead with you……. Make up your mind, whom do you (and many ‘trads’) serve?
The confusion amongst all Catholics is a ‘diabolical disorientation.’
May God bless all soldiers of Jesus Christ, and the Mother of God!
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S. Armaticus said:
Halina, I don’t “support” PiS. I analyze the situation in Poland and according to my analysis, PiS is by far the best government that Poland has had since the Olszewski gov. (1992)
The difference with that gov is that PiS has a majority and is actually implementing the reforms that the Olszewski gov (and PiS I in 2006/07) could never dream of implementing.
The enemies of PiS appear to be mostly external to Poland. Globalists (corporatists) and their controlled “international courts”, i.e. the “mullahs in robes” appear to be the visible aggressors. But digging a bit deeper, the main antagonist are the German soft power operations to keep Poland within the German economic and political sphere of influence.
And then there are the Russian legacy assets…
Anyways, that is my take…
As to who am I serving, I will quote an oldie but a goodie: “Amicus Plato, sed magis amica Veritas” (Plato is my friend, but Truth is a better friend). And if we server Truth, we are in fact serving the Truth, the Way and the Life.
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vrs said:
“is actually implementing the reforms that the Olszewski gov (and PiS I in 2006/07) could never dream of implementing”
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What reforms?
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S. Armaticus said:
De-communisation of the courts…
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vrs said:
How many communists did they fire from those courts?
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S. Armaticus said:
They are being removed. The management is being protected presently, but their time will also come.
I think that after the EU elections and with a new EC, things will change and for the better.
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halina1954 said:
“Today, many Christians are no longer even aware of the basic teachings of the Faith, so there is a growing danger of missing the path to eternal life.” Cardinal Gerhard Müller (I wonder why?)
And yet, despite all these pokes in the direction of papal eyes (his Manifesto), he never mentions the name of Francis, nor his predecessors. Not even once.
An echo of not too far past, true for all times, until the end of time…….. by a faithful soldier of Jesus Christ:
‘’When Our Lord asks me: “What have you done with your episcopate, what have you done with your episcopal and priestly grace?’, I do not want to hear from His lips the terrible words ‘You have helped to destroy the Church along with the rest of them!!!” Miserere Domine, miserere!
When cowardice or human respect tempts us to waver, we should repeat St. Francis of Assisi’s daring words:
‘KNIGHT OF CHRIST, ARE YOU AFRAID?’
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halina1954 said:
This faithful soldier of Jesus Christ, is none other then Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre……Semper Deo Gratias et Mariae!
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halina1954 said:
For those who cannot read in Polish, please go to;
https://translate.google.com/#la/en/Deus%20Vult
……. translate this short article, and also check the comments below, you’ll get a very good idea, of how the good people of Poland feel, about what is being imposed on them, by the ‘powers of this world’.
Netanyahu before the summit in Warsaw: IRAN IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PROBLEM FOR OUR SECURITY!
Read more: http://www.pch24.pl/netanjahu-przed-szczytem-w-warszawie–iran-to-najwazniejszy-problem-dla-naszym-bezpieczenstwa,66102,i.html#ixzz5fRafBojN
MAY THOSE WHO HAVE EYES SEE, AND THOSE WHO HAVE EARS HEAR!,….lest…..
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halina1954 said:
Just take a look at the pictures, you’ll get an idea, about the present government in Poland, and whom do they serve……and under whom!
https://www.gazetawarszawska.com/
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vrs said:
Quite unrealistic video commentary on the political situation in Poland. PiS as the “nationalist” party – it’s even too ridiculous to laugh at… “The right wing” – nope, the socialist one with a light conservative flavour when it comes to some aspects. Many of voters from the 2015 election feel cheated by them. If you want to look for the right movement in Poland search for the March of Independence story – the March that last year the governing party decided to take over from the society that has been organising it from the start. The Traditional Roman Mass that was planned before the March was blocked (once again) by post-VII ecumenical alliance in Warsaw (which comprises, as far as I guess, of JPII-Assissi-loving hierarchy, representatives of both mainstream parties, PiS included, and, last but not least: judaistic dialogue partners from the so-called Republic of Friends proclaimed by President Duda).
Yes, Poland is one of most interesting countries in today Europe for Catholicism and right movements. Too interesting for… fake narratives.
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vrs said:
PS The motto of 2017 March of Independence was: “We want God” (a beginning of one of Catholic Polish songs). Unfortunately, the March was slandered (because of few provocations) in mainstream media and politics as organised by extremists (cf. e.g. https://pl.usembassy.gov/religious_2017/)
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S. Armaticus said:
The Independence Day March has been slandered regardless of any “provocators”. It has to be slandered because it curshes the “grand narrative”.
This is why you really need to watch out for the sources that you get your information from.
PS The group that organizes the March (ONR) realized that they had “Russian soft power assets” that were trying to infiltrate their ranks. The same thing was happening to them that happened here to the Libertarian Party. It woke up one day and found that their leadership was a bunch of left wing collectivists.
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vrs said:
The Independence Day March has been slandered regardless of any “provocators”. It has to be slandered because it curshes the “grand narrative”. – That’s right. Therefore, there are many forces to want them crushed. The present govt included.
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S. Armaticus said:
Don’t know where you are getting your information from, but I would be very wary of anyone who is overtly critical of the present gov.
What we are seeing in PL is a concentrated attack by the globalists (cultural marxists) to remove the current government. And it would appear as if everyone else, both radical left and right (“religious”, economic, social, etc.) want the same thing. Seems odd to an analyst to be seeing this sort of phenomenon.
It is even more odd than a SPD/CDU/CSU grand coalition in Germany and Austria….
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vrs said:
Where do I get my information? Straight from the source – the present government. I am Pole – therefore, I read the source material not the one (Soros & co.) or another (Netanyahu & co.) propaganda.
What we are seeing in PL on present days (“Peace and security conference” on Iran or, maybe, JUST Act – 447 imposed by M. Pompeo and Israeli PM) is, unfortunately. another failure of the government.
Best regards.
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S. Armaticus said:
vrs, you write:
“Straight from the source – the present government. I am Pole – therefore, I read the source material not the one (Soros & co.) or another (Netanyahu & co.) propaganda.”
Correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t the Soros &co. and Netanyahu & co. anti-PiS?
What am I missing?
PS Below is a video of a talk PM Morawiecki did in Chicago a couple of years back. I don’t know about you, but I definitely want this guy as the PM of Poland.
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vrs said:
Once again without source links (probably Akismet is blocking them):
“Correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t the Soros &co. and Netanyahu & co. anti-PiS?”
Soros – sure he is. Netanyahu – plays his own game exploiting the situation in Poland and erroneous politics of the government. I do not know if you are acknowledged with recent scandals by him and Mr. Pompeo in Warsaw (e.g.: “Lastly, I want everyone to know that America will never forget the indomitable Polish spirit. Recently an American, an American named Frank Blaichman, passed away at the age of 96. He may be better known here by his birth name Franek Blajchman. Frank was one of the valiant Jewish partisans in Poland who risked life itself to resist the Nazi war machine. After the war, he became an American citizen, built a very prosperous life as a real estate development in New York. Frank’s life was a testament to the resilience of the Polish people and to the American ideal that anyone who dreams big can rise to the top of matter – no matter where you start from. He embodied what President Trump said in his visit here in 2017. Poland lives, Poland prospers, and Poland prevails.” – compare with e.g. https://www.rp.pl/artykul/532244-AK-byla-antysemicka—ubek-oskarza-w-ksiazce.html). They were so huge that it made the ruling party afraid of the result of oncoming elections and change the rhetoric.
However, I am more interested what the governing party is really pro- and anti- and what results of their politics are. To make the long (almost 4 year) story short PiS and governments formed by that party were probably the most pro-Israeli (thus: pro-Netanyahu) in the recent history of Poland. Few examples of the long list:
– present PM Mr. Morawiecki saying he deeply believes that Poland is the foremost Israeli ally in Poland,
– party leader Mr. Kaczynski saying that the existence of Israel is “a miracle of our times”,
– the recurring motif of so-called “Republic of Friends” in speeches of President Duda (“Republic of Friends, which saw the birth of many prominent representatives of the Jewish people, including the founders and leaders of the State of Israel”)
– unparalleled local law of January 2018 limiting freedom of movement in the area of Israeli embassy,
– unparalleled, unprecedented legal mortification in June 2018 when in one day two Houses of Parliament together with President oP changes the act on defamation of Polish nation on demand of Netanyahu & co.
– total silence on US JUST Act,
– public subventions for Jewish historical policy in Poland,
– additional peculiar gestures such as… post stamp commemorating the 100 years of Polish independence together with the anniversary of creation of the Israeli state,
– opening of AJC office in Warsaw,
– the recent Iran conference in Warsaw,
– agreement on the peculiar role of Israel in the V4 Group, etc.
And the nation see (last year – with respect to the “discussion” on the anti-defamation act (IPN law) and especially on recent days) what the govt got in return.
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S. Armaticus said:
With all due respect, you appear to be good at listing anti-PiS talking points. You are less good at analyzing what the objective reality is on the ground.
And once again I ask, what is the alternative to PiS?
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vrs said:
“With all due respect, you appear to be good at listing anti-PiS talking points”
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Do not worry – I do not feel offended or exposed to “unsafe environment” as the leftist use to say. Not “anti-PiS” talking points – “anti-Polish” policy points rather. I am not a member or client of PiS – so I do not care about the wealth and prosperity of the Party. I voted PiS 3 years ago, I convinced my family and some friends to vote. The objective reality is what they have done for over three years . And the list you refer to is the “including but not limited to” one.
The objective reality is when I go to the grocery and try in vain to communicate in Polish language. The objective reality is when I look at the income tax free allowance amount (scandalously low) and see that what the PM says me about its increase is an objective lie. The objective reality is when I pass by petrol station controlled by the state and see that the fuel price is (due to fiscal policies) higher than in GER or AUT . The objective reality is when I hear about the local election in Gdansk after the death of president from the formation apparently opposite to PiS and… PiS declares that it won’t take part in the election. And so on.
What is the alternative to PiS? I thought we were talking about false presentations of PiS by (as I assume) good-will Catholic media abroad as the right wing or even “nationalist” party, not about false alternatives. Nevertheless, I will try to answer.
The answer is plain and simple: 1) in the sphere of ideas – the truth, 2) in the practical one – to build the real right formation or alliance.
With all due respect – I am not interested in the alternative: PiS vs. the former ruling party (when both showed their abilities in practice) which the mainstream media try to impose upon people in Poland (quite conveniently for both interested parties). In America they believe in the perennial two-party choice i.e. Trump or Clinton, Kushner or Soros, etc., but I do not share that belief. I am tired of the “lesser evil still evil” choice (in particular when it turns out to be much, much greater than it appeared during the election campaign), and prefer to abstain from taking part in one lie or another, do my job, care of my family, praying as my forefathers did: “Ojczyzne wolna racz nam wrocic Panie.”
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vrs said:
“present PM Mr. Morawiecki saying he deeply believes that Poland is the foremost Israeli ally in Poland”
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Excuse me for a mistake – “in Europe” of course.
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Wanda said:
Cardinal Muller has stepped up to the plate and hit one out of the park. Who’s next?
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S. Armaticus said:
He sure has…
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Michael Dowd said:
This seems the opportune moment for a Dominican priest philosopher/theologian to emerge in the blogosphere to enlighten us all. Why is this not happening? My guess is that the hierarchy of the Church would not approve such as move as it would challenge the Church’s current Communist/secular world view and heretical theology based on Vatican II. Of course, this is precisely the reason it should be done in the spirit of Savonarola. O.P. We need some modern martyrs. Here’s a good opportunity..
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S. Armaticus said:
I’m thinking, the seminaries these days in essence teach psychology. So if these graduates believe in anything, it’s psychology. So these sorts of arguments should “stick”.
Now that’s not to say that there are no graduates that actually have the supernatural Faith. But they are not the target audience in this instance. 😉
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Michael Dowd said:
I was hoping that, at least, the St Joseph Dominican Province(Eastern) would be bit more orthodox Catholic oriented.
I guess the emphasis on psychology in modern seminaries has to do with the “new and approved” therapeutic nature of modern religion and the conception of sin as a disease. This helps explain our homosexual clergy who are now (since 1973) considered psychologically normal and are just getting in touch with themselves and each other sexually. As long as they believe this stuff they are lost.
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